The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

IveSeenTheLight

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Again?
Are you really having such difficulty with this concept?

Originally Posted by A Medium Size Jock View Post
NOT an answer.

Its really simple, its a yes or no question.
Let me pose differently

1. Does Scotland have the devolved powers to adjust the taxes on Alcohol to aid the industry to be more competitive?


Similarly for the below.


2. Does Scotland have the devolved powers to attract more businesses to Scotland (thus increase export) by reducing corporation tax?

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antrobus wrote: »

It's a legitimate mandate for the SNP to table a motion in Parliament, or a private members bill, or whatever, requesting a Section 30 order.

But Parliament can still say 'No'. Parliament is sovereign. The SNP can put whatever is likes in its manifesto. It could state that every Scottish resident will receive a £10,000 tax refund on the 5th April 2018. or whatever it likes. There would be no obligation on the UK government to do so.

A mandate, as in a promise in a manifesto, is only really relevant if you win the election. The SNP can't win the election, because it's only standing in 59 seats out of 650.:)

Whatever mandate there might be it's indeed concerning the request, to pretend it is otherwise is to disrespect the rights of the other party to the Union.

But I still question whether the vote in the Scottish Parliament is legitimate on the grounds of a mandate.

The SNP had weazle words in their manifesto as a footnote and there were assurances by Sturgeon at the time about a Referendum only being held if the Scots wanted one,

but

Leaving that aside the Referendum vote which gained the Scottish Par!iament approval did so only with the support of the Green Party who went against their manifesto and pledges at the time. They had no mandate, quite the reverse, and thus there is no Electoral mandate for the Parliamentary "Decision" whatever gloss the SNP put on their own claims.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Its really simple, its a yes or no question.
Let me pose differently

1. Does Scotland have the devolved powers to adjust the taxes on Alcohol to aid the industry to be more competitive?


Similarly for the below.


2. Does Scotland have the devolved powers to attract more businesses to Scotland (thus increase export) by reducing corporation tax?

If you want simple yes or no, why instead of your continued obfuscation have you not answered these as yes or no:
1: Could Scotland ask to adjust the taxes on Alcohol to aid the industry to be more competitive?


2: Could Scotland ask to adjust the taxes on Alcohol to aid the industry to be more competitive?

Since I asked twice now - three if you count this - once you answer then I will consider your questions.

A_Pict_In_A_Past_Life

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Sorry, still struggling to see the topical discussion point.

Feel free to pop back at your convenience if you do have a point to make on the thread topic

Have a nice day!

Oh look.

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Playing the man and not the ball, come on, grow up.

Aye right!
:rotfl:
Obviously that applies to everybody except you eh?
No wonder so many describe you as a troll.
And you still clog up the thread with this!
Unbelievable!

IveSeenTheLight

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

If you want simple yes or no, why instead of your continued obfuscation have you not answered these as yes or no:
1: Could Scotland ask to adjust the taxes on Alcohol to aid the industry to be more competitive?


2: Could Scotland ask to adjust the taxes on Alcohol to aid the industry to be more competitive?

Since I asked twice now - three if you count this - once you answer then I will consider your questions.

:roflmfao:
Obfuscation, your having a laugh.
Your pontificating and semantic twists are actually getting quite funny.
Keep it up.

Incidentally, I believe I asked the questions first
Nonetheless

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

1: Could Scotland ask to adjust the taxes on Alcohol to aid the industry to be more competitive?


2: Could Scotland ask to adjust the taxes on Alcohol to aid the industry to be more competitive?

Lets see.
My initial response was that I did not know, then thinking about how pedantic you are, the answer to both is of course, yes, they could ask.
You can ask any question at all.
Not that I believe that we should need to go cap in hand to ask such questions.
I believe we should have full autonomy

Incidentally, if I was to respond as you do, surely

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

why instead of your continued obfuscation have you not answered these as yes or no:

Surely that's a question in its own right, separate from the two questions listed below and would merit a question mark at the end.
Not that I'm looking for a response on this, just highlighting the problem with pulling people up with this !!!! is that it usually comes back to haunt you.

Anyway, your responses please

1. Does Scotland have the devolved powers to adjust the taxes on Alcohol to aid the industry to be more competitive?

2. Does Scotland have the devolved powers to attract more businesses to Scotland (thus increase export) by reducing corporation tax?

IveSeenTheLight

A_Pict_In_A_Past_Life wrote: »

Oh look.

Aye right!
:rotfl:
Obviously that applies to everybody except you eh?
No wonder so many describe you as a troll.
And you still clog up the thread with this!
Unbelievable!

Nope sorry, still don't see any attempt to have a topical discussion.

[edit]
Just looked, your last 8 posts have been to try and Troll me with no attempt to have a topical discussion.
Are you ok?
[/edit]

Yah_Boo_Sux

One person insisting on doing all the posting?
Trolling, surely.
Is that encouraged here then?
:whistle:

A_Medium_Size_Jock

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

:roflmfao:
Obfuscation, your having a laugh.
Your pontificating and semantic twists are actually getting quite funny.
Keep it up.

Incidentally, I believe I asked the questions first
Nonetheless



Lets see.
My initial response was that I did not know, then thinking about how pedantic you are, the answer to both is of course, yes, they could ask.
You can ask any question at all.
Not that I believe that we should need to go cap in hand to ask such questions.
I believe we should have full autonomy

Incidentally, if I was to respond as you do, surely

Surely that's a question in its own right, separate from the two questions listed below and would merit a question mark at the end.
Not that I'm looking for a response on this, just highlighting the problem with pulling people up with this !!!! is that it usually comes back to haunt you.

Anyway, your responses please

*Yawn* do move on.

1. Does Scotland have the [STRIKE]devolved[/STRIKE] powers to ask if they may adjust the taxes on Alcohol to aid the industry to be more competitive?
You answered that.
Yes.
Since that is answered the original was a non-sequitur, as was the following:
2. Does Scotland have the [STRIKE]devolved[/STRIKE] powers to ask if they may attract more businesses to Scotland (thus increase export) by reducing corporation tax?
Again you answered in the affirmative.

Now please stop trolling!

mollycat

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

please stop trolling!

Can I second this please?:)

Shakethedisease

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

*Yawn* do move on.

Now please stop trolling!

He's not trolling. He's responding to your posts, which you expressly invite him to do by quoting his. Now back off with the all the personal attacks and truly silly trolling accusations. As far as I can see ISTL has been perfectly polite in his answers.

( ISTL there are some people it's best to just not respond to for a while as they seem not to be able to separate the topic under discussion from the people who post about them. It's a strange phenomenon but not usual on discussion boards ).