New unexpected ticket

Tilt

Just came across this.

Having taken a look on Street View, it occurs to me that the layby COULD actually be part of the public highway as there is no physical boundary between the two. In fact the public footpath follows the contour of the layby between the adjacent building and the public road. However, it's interesting to note that the double yellow lines along the road break for the entire length of the layby. But surely it's maintained at public expense?

Has the OP established whether the layby is in fact part of the public highway?

Seems to me it's like a normal loading bay to me which the private company has 'adopted'.

Here is the Google Street View link. Others may wish to comment.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.596811,-0.245135,3a,75y,84.41h,97.34t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skQwguhMV6583Bq-2ODFj4Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

stephthechosenone

@Tilt I've called both Highways England and Barnet Council, neither of which could confirm to me if this part of the road is owned by the council or private.

The most I got was from Barnet Council who said they've logged my enquiry with the Highways Officer and will get back to me by 12th Jan

MothballsWallet

Coupon-mad wrote: »

If it is free then yes, use your insurance legal cover'. Not if it isn't free.

It would be interesting to see if they think the Beavis case crushes all defences. If they think that, they are very much mistaken.

Is that a good idea, C-M? Or is this for the OP to find out whether their legal cover hotline's advisers are actually clued up or not?

(I read the other thread where someone else consulted their insurer's legal cover hotline and the advice given was, shall we say, rather lacking?)

Tilt

stephthechosenone wrote: »

@Tilt I've called both Highways England and Barnet Council, neither of which could confirm to me if this part of the road is owned by the council or private.

The most I got was from Barnet Council who said they've logged my enquiry with the Highways Officer and will get back to me by 12th Jan

I find that bizarre but not surprising.

In my opinion the layby MUST be part of the carriageway as it will surely be maintained by the local authority. Normally a carriageway includes any adjacent area up to a wall, hedge or building so that means any pavement or footpath is part of the carriageway. In this case the layby is between the pavement and the road thus it should be considered as part of the carriageway. If this is the case then obviously I cannot see how a PPC would of jurisdiction or authority over the layby.

Coupon-mad

MothballsWallet wrote: »

Is that a good idea, C-M? Or is this for the OP to find out whether their legal cover hotline's advisers are actually clued up or not?

(I read the other thread where someone else consulted their insurer's legal cover hotline and the advice given was, shall we say, rather lacking?)

Yes, I only said it to test the advice being given, if it's free they may as well ask!

hoohoo

stephthechosenone wrote: »

@old dinosaur
@Coupon-mad
@The Deep

What was the outcome of this case? I'm in a similar position (will start a separate thread)...
But most of these threads never tell how it went! Would love to know

Many thanks,
S

This is still in progress. No hearing date set yet.

hoohoo

stephthechosenone wrote: »

@Tilt I've called both Highways England and Barnet Council, neither of which could confirm to me if this part of the road is owned by the council or private.

The most I got was from Barnet Council who said they've logged my enquiry with the Highways Officer and will get back to me by 12th Jan

http://www.times-series.co.uk/news/14440345._Lucrative__parking_space_should_actually_be_managed_by_council/

A Barnet Council spokesperson, who the authority refused to name, said: “The parking space next to Sainsbury’s on Grahame Park Way is currently owned by Choices for Grahame Park Limited.

"The space is designated as a loading bay and as the parking ticket was not issued by the council we are unable to comment on it.”

hoohoo

pappa_golf wrote: »

your court , they will hire a local to represent them on the day

You might get Georgina Philpot

http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2016/11/pcmuk-youve-been-gladstoned-no-evidence.html

Umkomaas

hoohoo wrote: »

You might get Georgina Philpot

http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2016/11/pcmuk-youve-been-gladstoned-no-evidence.html

More about this site from The Prankster this morning:

http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2016/12/heath-parade-graham-park-way-scam-site.html

Redx

this sc@m above is as bad as the one in Spinningfields in Manchester (E S Parking?)