Here we can all be heard for a little while. Part 3

Pyxis

Thanks, JM! ! :T

And don't worry about the nerdiness! It's really useful when I have the odd question about a small technicality!

And I also have a tendency to remind myself with accidentals, even sometimes when there's no real need for it, as a security blanket!


The other thing I wasn't too sure about was using minims v. two tied crotchets in 4/4 time. Normally this wouldn't be a problem, but I was scoring three voices on separate staves, and at times it just looked wrong to put a minim in one voice, because of what the other voices were doing.
Does it matter in this sort of case? (I don't mean using a minim to cross the half-bar mark, which I know is wrong, at least it used to be!
I think!)



Going back to accidentals, if you have an accidental on a note in one bar, which is tied to a note in the next bar, do you repeat the accidental even though the note is tied? My feeling is not, ie. that the tie is enough to let the accidental endure, but I'm not sure!

jobbingmusician

It's OK to put a minim for one voice - although the rules for voices are a bit different (and I'm not an expert!) because you normally ensure there is a separate note for each syllable. It's a bit of a grey area as sometimes composers will put (for example) two crotchets rather than a minim - even under a slur - because they want a soft articulation on each one. And it's not always clear what they DO want, so performers will ask the conductor what they would like. I think (in the real world) it is fine to cross the half bar mark nowadays - even the ABRSM has heard of syncopation!

If an accidental is tied over the barline, then yes, it affects all notes of that type in the next bar (but sometimes helpful copyists will remind you). It would be incorrect to repeat it on the actual tied note.

tea_lover

Morning all have been keeping an eye on you all over the long weekend but the screen on my tablet is playing up so posting from home is tricky at the moment. Particularly as I refuse to get my work laptop out as then I'd just check emails, then just reply to some, then realise I'd been sucked into working.

Had a lovely few days which included playing with tiny piglets, feeding goats, attempting to play golf for the first time and some great meals. Now back to the reality of work....rubbish :rotfl:.

Georgiegirl256

whitewing wrote: »

Have we ever talked about handedness on here. I am strongly righthanded. This is an old article but interesting to me (does talk about susceptibility to eating disorders, so a possible PENGUIN)

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-body-image-idUSCOL35372720070413

I find handedness very interesting. Being left handed, I found a website dedicated to lefties, and got a few books off there as I like reading about it. I find it fascinating how the brain works depending on your dominate hand.

Sounds like a fun weekend tea.

Izadora

Morning All, it sounds like people had good and varied weekends.

If there is an MSE badge of shame I think IzHe and I would most definitely deserve it, we had a BBQ on Sunday and the amount we spent on food and booze was quite staggering. It was a really good day though and everyone was very well fed and watered, it did mean I spent most of yesterday curled up in my chair and hiding from the world as I was feeling a little delicate!! I need to remember that I'm not young anymore and drinking 3 days in a row is a very, very bad idea as hangovers seem to affect me just as much emotionally as they do physically!! Oh well, it was fun times with lovely people and I'll be back to normal soon enough.

Georgiegirl256

I will penguin this post, as it talks about feelings of worthlessness and depression.

Basically, in a nut shell, someone told me yesterday that they felt sad, felt worthless, and didn't want to be here anymore. This was after much hysterical crying that I finally got that out of them. After that, they wouldn't open up any further. I asked them if they wanted me to call a doctor, or if they'd consider talkng to a counsellor etc, but after that, I didn't know what else to suggest.

I am totally it of my depth here, and don't know what to do for the best. I couldn't sleep last night as I kept on going over and over it in my head. I kept on having flash backs to when my uncle took his own life. Although I really don't think this person would do that, although you never can tell I guess. They seemed fine after they'd got all that out and had calmed down, and didn't want me to tell any of their family. (I was considering telling one of their siblings)

What a horrible day. It's left me feeling pretty helpless and worthless myself. I just don't know what to do next. This person has been abit like this before, (but nowhere near on the scale of yesterday) and then just carries on like normal.

Penguin end.

Izadora

Reply to Georgie Other than letting them know that you're there whenever they need to talk I don't think there's really much you can do. Sometimes just being able to tell someone that you're struggling can make it easier to cope so hopefully the fact that they seemed a bit better once they'd calmed down means that getting it off their chest has helped a lot.
I can understand why it would have upset you but please don't feel worthless because you can't take someone else's pain away. You were there when they needed you and that will have been invaluable to them.

tea_lover

Penguin reply to Georgie,

Please don't feel bad. This person felt able to open up to you and that in itself is really good. I'm sure you weren't expecting it so it's hardly surprising that you didn't feel prepared with all the right answers. It sounds like what you did say really helped.

Some people may disagree with the next point (which is absolutely fine of course). If you think they are a genuine danger to themselves or anyone else then I think it's ok to break their confidence. When I've worked in healthcare settings, that's been the principle we used, and it also applies to the child safeguarding training I've done. I know that doesn't always sit well with people, but please don't think you absolutely can't talk to someone if you think it's for the best.

If you don't feel things are at that stage, then maybe just check in with them and remind them about their options (GP, Samaritans, counselling, etc).

Hope you're feeling ok xx.
End of penguin.

Georgiegirl256

Penguin

I think it doesn't help with them saying that they don't really know why they feel that way. It's hard to even know what to say or what to do when the person can't explain why they feel that way.

I've been to see them this morning, and they are just acting like nothing happened. Personally I don't agree with just brushing things under the carpet, as sooner or later the problem is going to rear it's head again. Those feelings just don't go away over night. I'm always there to talk with, but I really don't know what to do above and beyond that.

Thanks for the replies, I really appreciate them.

whitewing

I agree with tea's post, georgie.

GP would be the first step if they are able to agree to that. It may help if you bullet point the concerns/symptoms (anything you notice/anything they notice). Go along with them or send them with the paper if that is what they prefer.

There is also a checklist thing online (maybe NHS website). They could fill that in, print it off and take it along.

I think they may feel better for having told someone, but you are right, it may come back.