Lifetime ISAs guide

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  • pphillips
    pphillips Posts: 1,631 Forumite
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    edited 22 March 2019 at 4:57PM
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    The FAQs say that the "cost" (which will be no more than 3% per annum) will be deducted each year from the growth, which is not guaranteed and therefore it is possible that your LISA might not receive any annual and/or final payment.
  • Alexland
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    pphillips wrote: »
    The FAQs say that the "cost" (which will be no more than 3% per annum) will be deducted each year from the growth, which is not guaranteed and therefore it is possible that your LISA might not receive any annual and/or final payment.

    Foresters Friendly's annual charge of 1.25% (capped at 3%) is expensive compared to a HL or AJ Bell LISA where the total annual charge with a better investment (for example the Blackrock Consensus 85 fund) will be under 0.60%. As such you are paying an extra 0.65% each year which even on the first £4k year one contribution is £26 multiplied by 20+ years. Or if you want to transfer out after being a customer long enough to get the incentive then you face an early surrender penalty which is likely to be much more than the incentive.

    Alex
  • pphillips
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    masonic wrote: »
    Or if you want to transfer out after being a customer long enough to get the incentive then you face an early surrender penalty which is likely to be much more than the incentive.

    Alex

    Not true - you only pay the penalty if you close the LISA, You don't pay a surrender penalty if you transfer it to a different LISA manager.
  • masonic
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    pphillips wrote: »
    Not true - you only pay the penalty if you close the LISA, not if you transfer it to a different LISA manager.
    Not sure how you managed to quote my post and include Alex's reply, but if there really is no charge to transfer elsewhere then staying for 3 months to collect the incentive and then transferring to another provider would be worth considering. You'd need to be certain about the exit fees though.
  • pphillips
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    masonic wrote: »
    Not sure how you managed to quote my post and include Alex's reply, but if there really is no charge to transfer elsewhere then staying for 3 months to collect the incentive and then transferring to another provider would be worth considering. You'd need to be certain about the exit fees though.

    It would have to be on the website if there were transfer fees. As far as I can see, the worst that can happen is that they send you the m&s voucher after 3 months but no growth when you transfer it to another provider.
  • Alexland
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    pphillips wrote: »
    Not true - you only pay the penalty if you close the LISA, You don't pay a surrender penalty if you transfer it to a different LISA manager.

    I wasn't taking about the LISA early withdrawal penalty (which I agree wouldn't apply if you transferred to a new LISA provider) but the reduction in value you may suffer from surrendering the with-profits fund investment. This is mentioned in the product small print but the calculations are not detailed anywhere obvious.

    Alex
  • masonic
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    pphillips wrote: »
    It would have to be on the website if there were transfer fees. As far as I can see, the worst that can happen is that they send you the m&s voucher after 3 months but no growth when you transfer it to another provider.
    There is no obligation for any organisation to put the full details relating to a product on their website, so the fact that you've been unable to find information about early redemption or transfer fees cannot be taken as proof there are none. To obtain an information pack with full details about the product you must provide your personal details using their web form. The information pack must inform you what the fees are, if any.

    Edit: As Alex states above, a Market Value Reduction could apply and this is mentioned on the website, but the size of this and when it can be applied is not defined (by the vague description given, it appears to constitute the loss of all capital protection and is therefore limited only by the loss potential of the underlying assets of the investment fund, which could be anything). I suspect there is no way of knowing this in advance, and if it were more than say 6%, you could get back less, even taking account of the gift card, than you put into the scheme.
  • mpnmerro
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    Dear all,

    I'm completely new to this but I plan to buy a house in 3-4 years. I get salary from my studies and I work multiple part-times, I have Help to Buy but I want to move to Lifetime ISA (I know time is ticking for this end of tax year). Can you confirm if I got this right:
    - deposit max £4k/tax year (so I can right now put £4k before 5th April + another £4k after)
    - 25% penalty on any amount taken out (with or without the bonus?)
    - receive bonus ONLY when buying house/retirement (is bonus added every tax year or only to amount taken for house?)

    I have about £8k in my Help to Buy, can I transfer all or can only put £4k into Lifetime ISA as per its max limit?

    I must say I'm a bit terrified putting all money into, of course I will have a saving account for a rainy day but is it possible that the Lifetime ISA can crash and I would loose all that? My apologies, I'm not very familiar with such yet but heard about banks going down previously and people loosing their savings.

    Also to open Lifetime ISA it's often only online, is it fast/safe? How about solicitor fees, how much would that eat into my savings?

    Thank you for your help, I know you get asked this all the time so huge thanks!
  • eskbanker
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    mpnmerro wrote: »
    Can you confirm if I got this right:
    - deposit max £4k/tax year (so I can right now put £4k before 5th April + another £4k after)
    Yes, but best get a move on!
    mpnmerro wrote: »
    - 25% penalty on any amount taken out (with or without the bonus?)
    The 25% withdrawal penalty only applies for money withdrawn other than for buying your first property (or after age 60).
    mpnmerro wrote: »
    - receive bonus ONLY when buying house/retirement (is bonus added every tax year or only to amount taken for house?)
    Bonuses are added within 4-8 weeks of each contribution.
    mpnmerro wrote: »
    I have about £8k in my Help to Buy, can I transfer all or can only put £4k into Lifetime ISA as per its max limit?
    The latter, but since we're approaching the change in tax year you should be able to move it all over within little more than a week if you wanted to. Unlike the usual guidance about moving money between ISAs, in this particular scenario, you should withdraw the HTB money and pay in to the LISA rather than doing an ISA transfer (insufficient time for this), assuming you have enough headroom (£4K) in your 2018/19 annual ISA allowance.
    mpnmerro wrote: »
    I must say I'm a bit terrified putting all money into, of course I will have a saving account for a rainy day but is it possible that the Lifetime ISA can crash and I would loose all that? My apologies, I'm not very familiar with such yet but heard about banks going down previously and people loosing their savings.
    Same as HTB really - if you put your money into a cash LISA then it will increase in value and your capital is protected, plus there is the FSCS protection, so no need to worry on that front.
    mpnmerro wrote: »
    Also to open Lifetime ISA it's often only online, is it fast/safe?
    Yes.
    mpnmerro wrote: »
    How about solicitor fees, how much would that eat into my savings?
    Depends how much work the solicitors do for you, but ensure that you keep money back for that (and stamp duty, etc) outside of the LISA, as penalty-free withdrawals from the LISA money (as with HTB) must go towards the actual purchase price rather than all the extra costs.
  • mpnmerro
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    eskbanker wrote: »
    Yes, but best get a move on!

    Thank you! :T
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