Do I need to pay?

cloudydays

fed_up_and_stressed wrote: »

And back to the op, no don't pay them.

Cheeky swines taking it upon themselves to clean your bin and then bill you for a service you have not requested. Tell them to get stuffed ...and you have a nice clean bin to stuff them in :rotfl:

No I'm not going to pay. My bin was not only washed but disinfected as well I looked on their website and they don't do one offs you have to sign up for their four weekly service. I won't be signing up, I won't be paying and I don't feel guilty!

BrentMeister

ScorpiondeRooftrouser wrote: »

That's nonsense, but by the by. Of course there are absolutes. Killing innocent bystanders is wrong.

I will ask again though. Is it your argument that only people who feel they DO benefit from clean windows are "mean" not to pay? You seem very reluctant to answer this.

No they are not absolutes. There will be people out there, espeically a certain group we see on the news that will think its morally right to kill innocent bystanders.

I cant see what difference it makes to you, however I personally think it would be mean for anyone not to make a contribuition in this scenerio. Whether thats a couple of quid, refilling his bucket or a cup of tea. Although as already established legally no payment is due, but for me personally I would feel morally obliged. But then everyones different and thats what makes the world an interesting place.

lucy03

ScorpiondeRooftrouser wrote: »

Explain why it would make you feel guilty to not pay someone who had done something you felt you got no benefit from and which you didn't ask for. I don't want to hear what you would have done or felt. I want to know what logical thought process could make you feel guilty.

I didn't say that I would feel guilty, I said that some people might and others might not. Different people feel different things. On the wider issue, I'm also still unsure who is defining what you call moral absolutes.

Personally I would have probably, depending on numerous factors, paid the window cleaner. As I mentioned that would primarily be for reasons of self-interest and not wanting to upset anyone if he already done some work which he thought he'd be paid for. If there is a choice of me paying £5 to keep the situation pleasant then I'd consider that a small price to pay to resolve something which was over-looked in the house move, even if it wasn't my fault. I can though entirely understand why others wouldn't have made the payment, and they can use whatever logic they so desire to make their decision as far as I'm concerned.

Mr.Generous

I wouldn't pay for the bin 100% and I probably wouldn't offer to pay for half the windows done, I do 'em occasionally myself. If I felt sorry for the window cleaner and he / she was cheerful and polite I might bung em a couple of quid.

lucy03

ScorpiondeRooftrouser wrote: »

That's nonsense, but by the by. Of course there are absolutes. Killing innocent bystanders is wrong.

At risk of veering vastly off-topic, who is defining this as an absolute?

There are very many examples which could be thought up where killing innocent bystanders could be argued to be entirely justifiable if it was for the greater good. Someone might argue that it would be justified to kill one innocent person to save the life of 10,000 people but it wouldn't be to save the life of 2 people. I don't see how anyone can define what is right and wrong as an absolute which then is somehow codified for others to follow as some moral rule.

pinkshoes

I seem to have started quite a debate...

Regarding the previous owner and when I mentioned this to his son, then I don't think he cared for clean windows particularly. His eye sight was shocking, so he wouldnt even be able to see dirt on a window!!

I think they just kept coming and cleaning them, and he just kept paying them when they had done the work. He was elderly and not short of money.

Apparently he did mention to them that he was moving and the house had been sold, so it would appear that they forgot. Surely the complete change of furniture within the house, stuff in card board boxes etc... Wold have given it away that there were new owners.

And finally, with two cars in the drive (another clue!), we were blatantly at home, so it would have taken 20 seconds to knock on the door to ask if we wanted the windows cleaning!

Country_Cousin

This whole post has escalated quickly from a £3 bin clean- yes just £3 (and I agree I believe they are chancing their arms and I would not pay and inform them that they are in error and not to do any more cleaning).
To window cleaners who were not informed someone had moved to actual killing of people.
Surely this topic is now done...