Do I need to pay?

FOREVER21

BrentMeister wrote: »

This is getting very tedious and slightly boring now.


Very true!

BrentMeister

ScorpiondeRooftrouser wrote: »

For the fourth time, I don't. I don't care.

Is your argument that only people who feel they DO benefit from clean windows are "mean" not to pay?

Just because you like to have dirty windows, dosent mean everyone does.

BrentMeister

ScorpiondeRooftrouser wrote: »

Immaterial. it wasn't the occupier's mistake. Someone else's mistake places no moral obligation on an unconnected person.

Thats your opinion. If you had said:

Someone else's mistake places no legal obligation on an unconnected person.

I would have agreed. Morals are individual.

ScorpiondeRooftrouser

BrentMeister wrote: »

Thats your opinion. If you had said:

Someone else's mistake places no legal obligation on an unconnected person.

I would have agreed. Morals are individual.

No they're not. There are absolutes in morals. This is one of them. Your position has no logical backing. Morals can be logically argued.

ScorpiondeRooftrouser

BrentMeister wrote: »

Just because you like to have dirty windows, dosent mean everyone does.

Of course, I never said they did. So I will ask again. Is it your argument that only people who feel they DO benefit from clean windows are "mean" not to pay?

BrentMeister

ScorpiondeRooftrouser wrote: »

No they're not. There are absolutes in morals. This is one of them. Your position has no logical backing. Morals can be logically argued.

Of course morals are individual. Some
people might think something is morally right, so may think its morally wrong - Its upto the individual what they morally believe in.

fed_up_and_stressed

And back to the op, no don't pay them.

Cheeky swines taking it upon themselves to clean your bin and then bill you for a service you have not requested. Tell them to get stuffed ...and you have a nice clean bin to stuff them in :rotfl:

lucy03

ScorpiondeRooftrouser wrote: »

No they're not. There are absolutes in morals. This is one of them. Your position has no logical backing. Morals can be logically argued.

If there are absolutes in morals then who exactly is defining them?

I would have paid the window cleaner as well to be honest. Partly for reasons of self-interest that if I had moved to a new house I wouldn't want to upset anyone who had genuinely not realised that their work was no longer required.

The reality is IMO that some people wouldn't have paid and thought nothing more of it, some wouldn't have paid and felt guilty, some would have paid begrudgingly and some would have paid willingly. Some would think that it's mean not to have paid, some wouldn't. Such is life....

ScorpiondeRooftrouser

BrentMeister wrote: »

Of course morals are individual. Some
people might think something is morally right, so may think its morally wrong - Its upto the individual what they morally believe in.

That's nonsense, but by the by. Of course there are absolutes. Killing innocent bystanders is wrong.

I will ask again though. Is it your argument that only people who feel they DO benefit from clean windows are "mean" not to pay? You seem very reluctant to answer this.

ScorpiondeRooftrouser

lucy03 wrote: »

If there are absolutes in morals then who exactly is defining them?

I would have paid the window cleaner as well to be honest. Partly for reasons of self-interest that if I had moved to a new house I wouldn't want to upset anyone who had genuinely not realised that their work was no longer required.

The reality is IMO that some people wouldn't have paid and thought nothing more of it, some wouldn't have paid and felt guilty, some would have paid begrudgingly and some would have paid willingly. Some would think that it's mean not to have paid, some wouldn't. Such is life....

Explain why it would make you feel guilty to not pay someone who had done something you felt you got no benefit from and which you didn't ask for. I don't want to hear what you would have done or felt. I want to know what logical thought process could make you feel guilty.