The labour party really is finished, isnt it?

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

Interesting poll. I suspect it's a flash in the pan but time will tell.

Some interesting commentary on the poll here by the people that did it:

http://www.icmunlimited.com/media-centre/media-center/guardian-poll-march-2016

YouGov now have Labour ahead. So mabye not just one poll then.

Matt Chorley ‏@MattChorley 16 hrs16 hours ago New post-budget YouGov poll for The Times puts Labour AHEAD LAB 34% CON 33% LD 6% UKIP 16%

Moby

:eek:Not suprised after that disasterous budget delivered by our little reedy voiced potential next PM.

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

:eek:Not suprised after that disasterous budget delivered by our little reedy voiced potential next PM.

why is the sound of George's voice relevant?

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

why is the sound of George's voice relevant?

It annoys me! and makes him seem weak and insipid. The thought of him negotiating with Putin or Trump on behalf of this country is unbearable!

Thrugelmir

Spidernick wrote: »

Hmm, we're definitely going to have to 'agree to disagree' on that one!

Over the years I've taken every opportunity to hear a lot of people speak at length from all walks of life. Irrespective of whether I agree with their view of the world. Never read anything into a public personna. Not everyone is a good actor that can play to the media.

westernpromise

Tories would be pretty happy with a Labour poll lead. It protects Corbyn, who would lose the next election if it were Jimmy Savile leading the Tories.

Miliband had an 11% poll lead at this point and look at the good that did him.

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

It annoys me! and makes him seem weak and insipid. The thought of him negotiating with Putin or Trump on behalf of this country is unbearable!

I'm sure this is meant to be funny but I've missed the punch line

Moby

It's not meant to be funny at all...the thought of him as PM terrifies me!

HornetSaver

With respect to whether Labour can recover by 2020, I think talk about Corbyn being ousted is missing the point.

It's not a question of whether the PLP has the will to oust him - most MPs took the line that he did not have their support, but that given the size of his win he had earned the right to try and change their minds. Hardly a ringing endorsement or a sign of a party rallying around the new leader.

It's not even a question of whether the PLP is able to oust Corbyn. MPs opposed to him have shown just about enough restraint to allow him to try and lead - without that restraint he can not possibly function as leader regardless of the wisdom or morality of opposing someone with majority support amongst the grassroots.

If we are talking about Labour challenging in 2020, one of three things needs to happen.

1. A living standards squeeze for the middle class of 2007-2010 proportions, which the public attribute to the Tories making the wrong decisions at the wrong times.

2. Labour doing badly enough at the ballot box, soon enough for the PLP to have a legitimate excuse to oust Corbyn, and someone tolerable to grassroots and PLP alike winning the resulting contest. That said, being willing to try to work with Corbyn would be a minimum requirement to getting grassroots support, so in practise you're probably restricting yourself to a handful of Shadow Cabinet members, who even then would have the disadvantage of trying to win despite being squeezed by at least one Corbynite and at least two Blair-lite opponents.

3. The Tories rip themselves apart to such an extent that 30% is enough to return Labour as the main party in the Commons (though most likely not a majority unless the SNP also rip themselves apart).

All of those scenarios are plausible. Only number two is remotely likely, but on the evidence of current opinion polls it won't happen this year.

Generali

Moby wrote: »

:eek:Not suprised after that disasterous budget delivered by our little reedy voiced potential next PM.

LOL, you really are a massive hypocrite aren't you.

I start a thread based on how ridiculous the hyperbole surrounding Mr Corbyn is and I'm engaged in unwarranted ad hominem attacks for, ermm, reporting stuff Mr C says. You then go on to post this stuff continually.

You couldn't make it up!