brexit and us

qwert_yuiop

The South's position in Europe would have to be assessed pretty quickly in the event of a uk departure. The question would then be "who's next?" as soon as Britain voted to go. It seems the Dutch euro sceptic party has a 40% support for example.

Yes, it's hard to believe people can dismiss all the achievements since 1945 - an incredible 70 years of stability. Remember Germany invaded France three times in the 70 years after 1870.

What is the dup hoping to achieve? Cabinet jobs in a Tory government post exit?

Cotta

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

Yes, it's hard to believe people can dismiss all the achievements since 1945 - an incredible 70 years of stability. Remember Germany invaded France three times in the 70 years after 1870.

What is the dup hoping to achieve? Cabinet jobs in a Tory government post exit?

The UK has only been in the EU since 1973.

qwert_yuiop

Correct, and the Franco - German steel pact was only 1951 and the treaty of Rome was 1957, but do you not see the European Union as a direct consequence of the end of the last major European war, gradually developing since then?

donnac2558

saverbuyer wrote: »

Probably more worried about 0.5% interest rates for the past 7 years rather than a potential eu exit.

Not according to the Beeb

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35628733

Cotta

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

Correct, and the Franco - German steel pact was only 1951 and the treaty of Rome was 1957, but do you not see the European Union as a direct consequence of the end of the last major European war, gradually developing since then?

Personally for better or worse atomic bombs have all but ended any type of global war and not the EU.

chunter

Northern Ireland is a basketcase run by basketcases. We need all the help we can get.

qwert_yuiop

Cotta wrote: »

Personally for better or worse atomic bombs have all but ended any type of global war and not the EU.

All the interdependency put an end to any friction. Break up would undo this.

leveller2911

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

Well don't include Theresa villiers and the dup, it seems. Good luck with attracting the farming vote on that one. No doubt the newly "liberated" uk will rely on cheap food from South America, where disease standards and drug controls are non- existent. I suppose we can turn our entire country over to Sitka spruce.
The way I see this, the eu is a fundamentally great idea, which needs to be reformed, not abandoned. I'm a stay in voter.

How long did it take to reform the CAP?. How long is it taking to have a sustainable fisheries policy?. How long is it taking for the EU to have a cohesive plan to deal with the refugee/migrant crisis?.. I could go on for hours giving examples of the EU's inability to govern.

Can you educate me on how the EU can be reformed when the UK's voting rights are diminished with every new country that joins?.There is no will to reform the EU in my opinion in the same way its almost impossible to reform the UK Parliament. In fact when Turkey joins (which it will) they wil have more voting rights than we currently do. There are very few net contributors to the EU budget with the UK being one of them,2nd biggest in fact so we will have less influence in policy making whilst paying an ever increasing amount to stay in the club.

They have spent the best part of 30 years trying to reform the EU and failed so just remember when you tick that "stay" box on the ballot paper you are condemning your children,grand children to an even worse relationship with the EU than we have now. My priority in voting is for the futures of my children and their children and I will vote to leave.

The EU was working fine as a trading block but the Federalists chose to take us down the road to a United States Of Europe and it will happen. It could have worked but the moment they let Greece in and the Eastern European countries the whole EU project is doomed to fail.


Are you aware that Poland alone has been given more money in EU grants than the entire budget to re-build the whole of Europe post WW2?. Its a staggering amount of money and I'm sorry but I would prefer the money we currently give to the EU each year to be spent on the people of the UK .

Currently we donate just under £11 billion (Eleven ,thousand,million pounds a year) and thats net contributions, not gross. This amount is set to increase by around £3.1 billion within the next 5yrs.

BTW the money we save can be used to help the UK industries to grow or continue to trade and that includes agriculture,fisheries, heavy industry,technologies etc.Think of how many houses we can build with that money, hospitals,roads,schools etc.

leveller2911

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

Yes, it's hard to believe people can dismiss all the achievements since 1945 - an incredible 70 years of stability. Remember Germany invaded France three times in the 70 years after 1870.

Are you suggesting that the EU has kept the peace in Europe since WW2 or am I reading the post wrong?.

The EU didn't stop the war in the Balkans in the 1990's and the EU policy of Empire expansion Eastwards has in fact contributed to the War in The Ukraine.

You might want to thank NATO for keeping the peace in Europe since 1949..

duggan1

Tansy_1980 wrote: »

People in border areas will find an exit particularly difficult. It will also necessitate border checkpoints again. Currently ROI customs and excise officers run a sort of skeleton service checking border really for fuel laundering and vehicle tax evasion, but if the UK exits full border controls will presumably have to be put back in place which will have a huge impact on business (and on traffic!).

Unlikely. The legal position in the UK is that the Republic of Ireland is not considered to be 'foreign'.

Also there were border checkpoints while we have both been in the EEC if some of the older folk remember. I'll safely say that were the UK to leave the EU (and I don't think it will), there will be no change to the border arrangements in NI.