brexit and us

qwert_yuiop

neds wrote: »

nothing to worry about - Boris is on the job ..

Yes indeed. Which job?

In_For_A_Penny_2

All the early polls seem to suggest a huge majority in N.Ireland in favour of an "in" vote. . . (upwards of 75%). . . wonder what demographic this reflects?

Farmers perhaps. . . nationalists maybe?

x12yhp

I am concerned about the potential impact of an exit. There are some strong arguments but the reality is that there has been precious little discussion about how to fix these things, after an exit.

Needlessly complex and costly regulations - do we suddenly go back to an old system? Do we move to something new? Do we just stay where we are and not follow future changes? As I see it, we are stuck with the present EU regs because anything else actually presents more work, not less. So we gain nothing or lose.

Immigration - so we stop people getting in. We stop benefits of those here or even start kicking them out. So now, all those migrant held jobs have no one doing them. Are the unemployed British masses going to jump in? I doubt it. Are companies going to avoid higher labour costs? Are consumers going to pay the higher prices? Again, grand concept but I can see a lot of pain before any gain.

Renegotiation of trade deals and such - why is there the idea that the EU will give us a better deal from outside? What about the need that, to sell to the EU, we still need to meet their regulatory standards? From my perspective as a manufacturer, I'm suddenly handling non EU materials as a non EU manufacturer and have a host of new hurdles to jump. Again, fair idea but no one has said how the problems highlighted can be avoided such that we are not in a worse position.

I think that Cameron is correct - this would be a leap in the dark. There is a great deal of good sentiment but the exit camp has presented almost no plan as to how this sentiment actually puts the UK into a better position. What shocks me most is that people are not crying murder over this because the no camp are giving hopes and dreams with zero facts and figures.

Marktheshark

With working until we are 70 whilst the Mediterranean states get to keep their retire at 50 on 75% salary deal on our tables I feel the Brexit is worth the risk.
More of paying back the 600 billion bail out loans or cut the rope around our necks and see if we can still swim.

Nobody works half as hard as we do, I am sure we can re-build a better stronger country and once again have a country of our own.

I bet most in favour of staying in can not even name the commissioners who rule us and make 90% of our laws.
At least we will be able to vote out bad politicians, we can not vote out EU commissioners, they are self appointed demigod leaders.
Out and lets enjoy the fruits of our labour, the Greeks and Spanish can pay their own pensions.

qwert_yuiop

RikM wrote: »

Yup... no sense

. I sometimes think the simplest solution to the "union/Ireland" question is to just wait until we all assimilate into Europe...

Yes indeed, and maybe a lot quicker than you'd have expected - you might have seen this discussed in the Irish times recently.
One million people in the Irish republic are foreign born. Since these immigrants have been almost entirely in their twenties and thirties, they represent a much larger proportion of that cohort than the 22% of the overall population they make up. Since this is the child bearing age group, the proportion of children who will be foreign parented by the time this generation have completed their families will be larger again - possibly ultimately as many as a 40%. Given that approx one million people on this side of the border are Protestant, the Irish Catholic population may be about to lose its majority status on our island, in little over a generation.
It's a new world, people. The troubles are yesterday's row.

Who'd have seen that result the night the Berlin Wall came down?

qwert_yuiop

In_For_A_Penny wrote: »

All the early polls seem to suggest a huge majority in N.Ireland in favour of an "in" vote. . . (upwards of 75%). . . wonder what demographic this reflects?

Farmers perhaps. . . nationalists maybe?

Sinn Fein has traditionally been fairly euro sceptic. The recent enthusiasm has been related to supposed alarm about difficulty crossing the border. I don't think this would be likely to apply - neither state is in schengen and there are no controls as it is. Norway is not in the eu, Sweden is, and there's no restriction there.

lynz68

Even if the UK votes to leave we are not going to wake up on the 24th June and no longer be in the EU. Even an exit has to be negotiated and could take up to two years.

There will be a lot of scaremongering between now and June from both sides.

Tansy_1980

People in border areas will find an exit particularly difficult. It will also necessitate border checkpoints again. Currently ROI customs and excise officers run a sort of skeleton service checking border really for fuel laundering and vehicle tax evasion, but if the UK exits full border controls will presumably have to be put back in place which will have a huge impact on business (and on traffic!).

donnac2558

Sterling has dropped like a stone in the currency markets worried about a No Vote.

saverbuyer

donnac2558 wrote: »

Sterling has dropped like a stone in the currency markets worried about a No Vote.

Probably more worried about 0.5% interest rates for the past 7 years rather than a potential eu exit.