Police stopped me.

fbs_4800

Oh, and some Police Authorities don't recognise the fact that crime is spiralling out of control and that there aren't enough Police on the streets - you don't think they recognise bad attitudes...?! :P:P:P

Steve_xx

fbs_4800 wrote: »

Totally agreed. We ALL have a right to be treated with respect. Christ - I've been on enough diversity courses to have that hammered into me. But that can't just be associated with the Police. They're as bad as anyone else - rightly or wrongly. No matter WHAT job you name (bar maybe nuns ) you'll ALWAYS get SOMEONE who's having a bad day or has a bad attitude. Someone said above - 'Police should be Professionals and not have a bad day.' REALLY!? lol

Like everyone else, I have the right to be treated with respect when I get a reminder to pay a bill and I ring some snotty person in a Callcentre who treats me with nothing but contempt. It happens. I go to McDonalds for a burger and sometimes I get a bad attitude from the person behind the till.

I don't start harping on about how I pay their wages and if it wasn't for me they wouldn't have a job - because that's not fair on the other 30-odd employees crammed behind the counter working their a$$es off.

The only thing I disagree is when you say all too often. There are thousands of Police Officers out there 24 hours a day who complete hundreds of thousands of calls and arrest a lot of people for committing crime. Not to mention finding mispers, helping confused people, dealing with marriage break downs and domestics and chasing kids around the streets.

You just don't ever hear about that. The problem is that the few that DO have a bad attitude is all that people like to talk about. And too soon it suddenly becomes taken as read that that's what we're all like. And that's not fair.

I'm pleased to note that police officers have to attend "diversity courses". It's a good start I suppose.

In my earlier post I said "all too often", not for any fanciful reason other than that is my experience of the poor manner in which I have noted that officers conduct themselves. Quite frankly I've found their attitude and manner quite unsuitable on the few occasions when I have had contact. They are both intimidating and even frightening to an extent. I appreciate that at times they may have to appear that way to certain individuals, but they must learn to differentiate. And as Advocate says, the police are not beyond being questioned about their mode of operation. We do pay your salary, you are a public servant, and therefore you are accountable and subject to the opinions of the general public. If, as you point out, you don't like the service provided at McDonalds, then you have the option to take you business to Burger King or some other similar vendor. One can hardly do that with the police and therefore redress must come in the form of discussion.

There are, I agree, many thousands of officers who conduct their business in an exemplary fashion. However, there are also many that do not, and obviously it is this hardcore that will bring about much public criticism, and rightly so. We don't want a police force that runs the country according to an individual officers stance on the law. The police are not entitled to act ultra vires, and they must be discouraged from believing that they may.

Conor_3

Steve_xx wrote: »

Yes, but who knows what the future holds. An accident is by definition an unexpected and unintentioned event.

You are assuming that you would have sight of the child here. However, what if the child was playing on the sidewalk and was shielded by a parked lorry? You may not see the child then.

That's why the majority of what we call accidents are actually incidents. Nearly all of them are preventable by proper driving.

And if the child was shielded by a lorry?

Well it'd be an urban area or area with houses, so I'd not be going anywhere near the speed limit in the first place and also be aware of the possibility of ANYONE walking out in front of the lorry because it's not just kids that dive out from in front of them.

ANY ADVANCED DRIVING COURSE, such as Pass Plus, RoSPA or IAM would teach you this. In fact, basic learner driving lessons should if the instructor is any good. Sadly many aren't thanks to the "You can earn a guaranteed £30,000 p.a as a Driving Instructor. All you need is to have had a full licence for 3 and a half years". Some new driving instructors have got less mileage (therefore experience) under their belt than I do in 3 months yet they're allowed to teach.

P.S, we don't have sidewalks in the UK, we have pavements.

NovaBlack_2

Conor wrote: »

That's why the majority of what we call accidents are actually incidents. Nearly all of them are preventable by proper driving.

And if the child was shielded by a lorry?

Well it'd be an urban area or area with houses, so I'd not be going anywhere near the speed limit in the first place and also be aware of the possibility of ANYONE walking out in front of the lorry because it's not just kids that dive out from in front of them.

ANY ADVANCED DRIVING COURSE, such as Pass Plus, RoSPA or IAM would teach you this. In fact, basic learner driving lessons should if the instructor is any good. Sadly many aren't thanks to the "You can earn a guaranteed £30,000 p.a as a Driving Instructor. All you need is to have had a full licence for 3 and a half years". Some new driving instructors have got less mileage (therefore experience) under their belt than I do in 3 months yet they're allowed to teach.

P.S, we don't have sidewalks in the UK, we have pavements.

.... i really am beyond words at this point conor.. sorry..

did you not read my post above? it was a HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION. you CANT CHANGE THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF A MADE UP SCENARIO!, or then it isnt the same scenario.

no matter HOW carefully you drive, even if you were at the speed limit in an urban area, if you READ MY POST youd see that if a child walked out from behind a car , even if you were doing 20MPH, if they stepped out from behind a lorry AS YOU WERE PASSING YOU WOULDNT BE ABLE TO STOP.

unless you have magic tires and the rules regarding thinking distance + stopping distance dont apply to you.

but actually from your holier than thou attitude maybe you arent human like the rest of us. Apparently you cant ever make mistakes.

and the sidewalks / pavements comment... my point proven.. no need to be so nit picky and pedantic.

espresso

NovaBlack wrote: »

.... i really am beyond words at this point conor.. sorry..

did you not read my post above? it was a HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION. you CANT CHANGE THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF A MADE UP SCENARIO!, or then it isnt the same scenario............

Sorry but I simply don't see any point to your hypothetical posts!

:rotfl:

photonbucket

I haven't got a problem with the police as such. It's the laws that they uphold which deserve scrutiny. Like when the police did not have to provide any evidence of my 5mph over the limit speeding offence. In that circumstance they most certainly were judge, jury and executioner.

In short, I couldn't be a policeman simply because the laws are immoral and illogical.

NovaBlack_2

espresso wrote: »

Sorry but I simply don't see any point to your hypothetical posts!

:rotfl:

lol sorry this has gone on for a few pages. was basically just to say that there ARE OCCASIONS when an emergency stop IS needed. Apparently there aren't.

tomstickland

Whilst I agree that a lot accidents could be avoided by better anticipation, there are going to be a few that fall into the world of probability and require a rapid stop. Let's say the wheel fell off a vehicle on the motorway. The probability of that happening is very small. Even the most highly trained driver would take the attitude that such an event was highly unlikely and consequently accept this as a minor risk, one that could be further reduced by concentrating and observing. Though it might require a rapid stop should it happen.

NovaBlack_2

tomstickland wrote: »

Whilst I agree that a lot accidents could be avoided by better anticipation, there are going to be a few that fall into the world of probability and require a rapid stop. Let's say the wheel fell off a vehicle on the motorway. The probability of that happening is very small. Even the most highly trained driver would take the attitude that such an event was highly unlikely and consequently accept this as a minor risk, one that could be further reduced by concentrating and observing. Though it might require a rapid stop should it happen.

heheh no no :P conor would predict that it was going to happen, use his weight to rock the car around the small child, and replace the wheel whilst moving, allowing him to continue without making a stop...:rotfl:

fbs_4800

Nearly 24 hours and no further posts...? I was enjoying the bit about the traffic lights, lorry drivers and a flux capacitor...!! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: