Nice People Thread No. 15, a Cyber Summer

PasturesNew

This won't be easy, but I figure it's achievable.

From what I can see: there's probably (choice of 2 fellas) a posh bloke in a position of authority, because of the location/his job he MUST have been born there and there must exist (more) records of who he was.

He married a girl, but in her (unknown yet) parish - which might/might not have been transcribed so far. This might not have been her first marriage. I know the name she was born with and the name she died with ... but not sure yet how many marriages there are between those points.

She (or they?) had a daughter. That daughter married my GGG GGG grandfather.

Bizarrely, it seems she either only ever had one daughter, or all the other children pre-deceased her.

But, I stand a good chance of this as there's clearly education/position involved in the mix and those people were better documented.

Timespan involved: 1630-1720.

I might have to actually spend physical time pawing through old estate records of the big/posh family as they seem to have got the documents of my ancestors in their archives. However, hopefully, I can jigsaw enough of it together online now I have names to head for.

Plus, some other filler information might drop out of a big funded transcription project that's ongoing ... and my lot were weaved into that somewhere. Not really sure if it's my GGGGG's brother, or my GGGGGG who went on the run. (They both have the same name).

Also grappling with 3 generations of men with the same name and the references of "The Elder" and "The Younger" being used, which is mental gymnastics as you have to double check each date which one would be dead/older/younger/unborn at that point.

It's one big logic puzzle!

EDIT: Big brick wall ... more bl00dy quakers! Added a new village to the radar, 6 miles away. It's all still stacking up, but going in unexpected directions.

EDIT: Another unexpected turn. Thought they "had a bob or two" - but just seen the Hearth Tax list and they had 11 hearths! 11. That's a bl00dy lot! Too many.... greedy burgers. I always thought 4 was a lot on those lists.

michaels

Conrad wrote: »

I decided I wanted to cook with black pud, having not had it in years, so I opened up a lean pork loin, and put some crumbled black pud in, then rolled it up, bound with string, then tightly with cling film and poached it in water for 30 mins.

Then fried the beast in hot oil, butter and fresh thyme, salt and pepper, then let it rest.

Used the buttery remains by adding brandy, lots of ground green pepper, but black is fine, cooked it down, added some cream, voila.

It was very good with small crispy Rosemary spuds, pea puree ( frozen peas just done in microwave a few minutes, then whizzed up with loads of white pepper, some salt, lemon and oil), and washed down with a good red

I hope you removed the cling before frying.

Good post but it reminds me we are missing Mr G

Doozergirl

michaels wrote: »

I hope you removed the cling before frying.

Good post but it reminds me we are missing Mr G

Yeah. Food posts.

Is he allowed back at all yet?

Pyxis

I was thinking about those 11 hearths.

In the century involved, there could have been fireplaces in every room, including the kitchen. Then, if they had an extended family/families living together, there might well have been 11 rooms including the kitchen, and including any servants' rooms in the attics (even if the servants' fires were rarely lit!)
So between two or three families living together, it might not have been so many.

Just a thoughtlet!

chris_m

Doozergirl wrote: »

Yeah. Food posts.

Is he allowed back at all yet?

I think whoever had it in for him managed to get him permanently PPRd :mad:

chris_m

PasturesNew wrote: »

EDIT: Another unexpected turn. Thought they "had a bob or two" - but just seen the Hearth Tax list and they had 11 hearths! 11. That's a bl00dy lot! Too many.... greedy burgers. I always thought 4 was a lot on those lists.

Posh alert.

Only posh peeps had fireplaces in every room, the rest coped with just the kitchen and living room - if they had one instead of just using the kitchen

PasturesNew

chris_m wrote: »

Posh alert.

They're certainly "on the edge of posh", but not posh enough to have been written about, it seems.

I get an air of "had a bob or two", but not a sniff of "proper posh".

I don't think they were freeholders, for some reason. I think they'll turn out to be renters.... but renters of larger houses. They also seem to not be staying still, but flitting about in the shadows in a radius of 2 miles.

Trouble is, Ye Olde Spellings.... you can't just google some names as every transcription will have spelt it differently. Jone, Joan, Joane .... even an Edward can be an Edw.

*sigh*

I'll get there in the end, but it won't be today at this rate.

Doozergirl

Pyxis wrote: »

I was thinking about those 11 hearths.

In the century involved, there could have been fireplaces in every room, including the kitchen. Then, if they had an extended family/families living together, there might well have been 11 rooms including the kitchen, and including any servants' rooms in the attics (even if the servants' fires were rarely lit!)
So between two or three families living together, it might not have been so many.

Just a thoughtlet!

The house I worked for 18 months has 16. I had no idea until I called out the chimney sweep. That was an expensive day!

PasturesNew

Pyxis wrote: »

I was thinking about those 11 hearths.

In the century involved, there could have been fireplaces in every room, including the kitchen. Then, if they had an extended family/families living together, there might well have been 11 rooms including the kitchen, and including any servants' rooms in the attics (even if the servants' fires were rarely lit!)
So between two or three families living together, it might not have been so many.

Just a thoughtlet!

They do appear to be 3 families in one house. I'm working from a transcription, but they're listed as separate families, but do appear to be renting from one chap.

West Tyneham (half way down). Three lines but two end in "&"
http://members.iinet.net.au/~suegar/hasshearth1.htm

So that's three men's names.... I don't know how they're related. I am seeking one of those three names, being the brother of the woman I'm after - and I'm after the woman's husband/s name/s and issue thereof.

It's not simple "looking up on a list, then getting the next list and picking the names off like cherries". It's lots of snippets and hints and the "promise and air that you're very close to something that ties people together in a definitive relationship".

I've just got another name to add to the pile as a thread. It appears a named family bought "the big house next to the one I can identify in 1720" - and that surname is one of the witnesses on the will I am trying to work from.

EDIT: And the next link I've found is that the Will witness is the brother of "The Super Big Cheese, the utterly loaded family who owned all the big/posh stuff"

The list of random people tenuously connected to each other just gets bigger.

So now I'm trying to find: The big cheese, to find his brother, to work out why he was a Will witness and his relationship to the deceased, so I can find her husband/s and work out where their daughter Edith was born

The current fly in the ointment is that the big cheese appears to be 150 years older than his brother, so I've taken a duff turn.

Ah, back on track. Got the will of this "witness to the Will" which gives some of his family.... although all those names are new to me, so maybe he'll turn out to be "A handy local person suitable for witnessing stuff"

Yep - duff turn. He did turn out to be a Notary Public and not a relation.

GDB2222

PasturesNew wrote: »

I have thrown caution to the wind with regard to food budget this week .... I accidentally discovered red grapes.

The other week I'd randomly decided to pick up a pack of green seedless grapes - and there was a pack that was half/half green and dark ones.... so I got them.

I like the idea of grapes, but most are simply a disappointment, so I rarely buy them (especially as they're pricey).

Well ... I bit into a red grape and was staggered at how lovely it was. I'd thought "dark ones" were black grapes, which tended to be more squidgy than crisp. Then I realised that these weren't black grapes, but red ones!

So, this week .... I treated myself to another 500gram punnet, which I polished off earlier today

I've had a scoff-a-thon today:

The cooked breakfast
2 blueberry muffins
500 grams grapes
2 hot sausage rolls

That's over £3 today! All because "I'm worth it"

That sounds like a lot, but I totted up the calories at around 1700. Which is roughly breakeven for you, I guess.