Nice People Thread No. 15, a Cyber Summer

Pyxis

The problem with high rise blocks is that the fire services can only reach so far. I'm not sure how many floors up is the limit, but above that no ladders or water jets can reach.

Helicopters can't get to the roof due to the turbulence, smoke and heat.

I'm a bit surprised that since the Ronan Point gas explosion in, ? the 70s was it? or the 60s, in East London, that gas is still installed in high rise blocks. Although, if the heating/water is communal, I suppose the gas boilers could be confined to the basement, and aren't in individual flats.





Edit.......Ronan Point was a 22-storey tower block in Newham, East London, which partly collapsed on 16 May 1968 when a gas explosion blew out some load-bearing walls, causing the collapse of one entire corner of the building

PasturesNew

GDB2222 wrote: »

They can't possibly have clad a tall building in stuff that burns? Yet eye witness reports say the cladding was on fire.

I've seen it clearly on fire on the few images I've seen.

I've not been looking at/for photos, but even I spotted that I could clearly see individual cladding panels that had flames on them when around them was black... so I'd say it looks, to me, like something burnt. If not the panels - then the fixings.

PasturesNew

MARK AS SPAM

karakr wrote: »

Day 3 ..

This isn't Sue, this is some spammer who has copied/pasted an old post by Sue.

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=70154615&postcount=97

Pyxis

PasturesNew wrote: »

MARK AS SPAM


This isn't Sue, this is some spammer who has copied/pasted an old post by Sue.

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=70154615&postcount=97

Jeesh! I did wonder why Sue might have changed her username.

What a bummer.


Might be an idea to remove thanks, too.

Pyxis

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4745328



This post of theirs ^^^^^^^ is also a complete copy of Tallgirl's post on The Impossible Dream thread.
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=63147436&postcount=21

chris_m

Pyxis wrote: »

Jeesh! I did wonder why Sue might have changed her username.

Me too - I looked at the new persona's profile for other posts and became more suspicious.
Glad to have my suspicions confirmed, now heading back to mark all their posts as spam.

GDB2222

PasturesNew wrote: »

I've seen it clearly on fire on the few images I've seen.

I've not been looking at/for photos, but even I spotted that I could clearly see individual cladding panels that had flames on them when around them was black... so I'd say it looks, to me, like something burnt. If not the panels - then the fixings.

Sometimes, although the original design is sound, the builders take shortcuts. Ronan Point collapsed because, although all the panels were supposed to be bolted together, that was awkward to do as the holes didn't always line up. So, the builders only put a few of the bolts in!

silvercar

PasturesNew wrote: »

MARK AS SPAM


This isn't Sue, this is some spammer who has copied/pasted an old post by Sue.

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=70154615&postcount=97

Good spot. Fooled me.

Spam post now removed.

Pyxis

GDB2222 wrote: »

Sometimes, although the original design is sound, the builders take shortcuts. Ronan Point collapsed because, although all the panels were supposed to be bolted together, that was awkward to do as the holes didn't always line up. So, the builders only put a few of the bolts in!

That's criminal.



Mind you, without going into details, I have had personal experience of a builder of a block of flats taking short cuts and leaving the block sub-standard. Luckily, after a lot of wrangling, it was all put right by the insurance provisions, and the underwriters went after the builder, who was a biggish company.
It all took ages, though, about 5 years.

Pyxis

QUOTE:31 May 2011 - There are no happy endings to a fire in a high rise structure. ... 99% of the world's ladder trucks can't reach above the 7th floor whereas MOST high rises are at-least 12 floors and above.UNQUOTE

Also, apparently water jets can only reach about 100ft too.

A few years ago, there was a programme on TV about how to be a survivor. One of the things they recommended was, when booking a hotel room, try not to go higher than the 7th or 8th floor, for that very reason.
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A few minutes of bother which might save your life.

Some people say that when they are on holiday they don't want to think of gloom and doom, and why be so pessimistic?
Well, my answer to that is, do they walk straight out into the road, or do they stop and look right, left and right again?

Anyway, what this programme pointed out was that the people that do consider the worse case scenarios are the ones who survive!