Funding for prison visits problem.

Johnnytwostep

NYM wrote: »

It's good that he's doing something to occupy his time, so maybe it's a bit of an exaggeration claiming he's been left to rot in a tiny room with no access to the outside world.

All that aside. Prison sentences are not handed out just because the Judge is having a bad day. Was there a pre-sentence report ?

There was probably a biased pre sentence report with lies, lies and damn lies in it I bet. The judge was probably dodgy, as were all the solicitors, probation workers, ushers, the cleaner, and the man who drove the prison van.

ryouga

Johnnytwostep wrote: »

Of course its clear cut they are all out to get you, but not clear cut for a person found guilty of who knows what crime in a court of law.

Infamy, infamy, they've all got it in for me!

I know you are trolling, but maybe they just wanted to set an example of him which one of the police clearly said.

Of do you think theres never a wrong person sent to jail? And everything in life is simple?

Johnnytwostep

ryouga wrote: »

I know you are trolling, but maybe they just wanted to set an example of him which one of the police clearly said.

Of do you think theres never a wrong person sent to jail? And everything in life is simple?

Yes thats what happened, not that he is guilty.

How is HP Whatton anyway?

Somerset

Guest101 wrote: »

How very dare you thin about the victim in all this?!


The OP's relative is in prison for goodness sake, stitched up by the evil social worker - though thankfully the community saw through their lies and ran them out of town! Stitched up by the police, who had to hit their target! Stitched up by their mates!


And you dare even consider how the victim (of this no doubt violent offence) felt?!

Yeah, my bad

ryouga

Johnnytwostep wrote: »

Yes thats what happened, not that he is guilty.

How is HP Whatton anyway?

Its just as likely as your idea isn't it.

And he is in the North of England and not in any of the prisons you listed.

EDIT just checked what those prisons you listed were, you really are a sick sick individual for you to assume he was in one of those.

Let me make it clear, it wasn't a crime involving sex or children or similar.

Guest101

ryouga wrote: »

Its just as likely as your idea isn't it.

And he is in the North of England and not in any of the prisons you listed.

EDIT just checked what those prisons you listed were, you really are a sick sick individual for you to assume he was in one of those.

Let me make it clear, it wasn't a crime involving sex or children or similar.

Then it's violence.

So yes, I'd rather we didn't waste money on a violent individual. The fact he gets paid to work and not enforced is shocking in itself.

Check out Russia's toughest prisons for reference of what I'd expect

christaitfife

About to rant here....

If a person has committed a crime they should rightfully be punished. I would prefer that they hadn't committed the crime in the first place, but they have. The punishment should be balanced with the intention of ensuring reoffending is reduced to the maximum amount. We are failing on the latter,

As a society we tend to think about punishment before reducing reoffending. Look at the US prison system - long incarceration periods, minimum rights and humiliation in the clothes they wear (some are even forced to wear pink underwear). We think "they committed the crime so it is good that they are being punished hard". The issue here, as these inmates have some of the highest reoffending rates in the world.

Norway has by far the lowest reoffending rates in Europe. Want to see what their 'prison system' is like: http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/feb/25/norwegian-prison-inmates-treated-like-people

Stopping reoffeding should be the priority after a sentence is handed down. If this means paying for low-income families to keep in contact - i'm all for it. Heck, give them TV's and training courses, and sun decks and everything else. If they are released and don't commit another crime it saves us money, it saves someone from being a victim and it makes the country a little bit better. A prison sentence is the loss of freedom and rehabilitating, not the loss of family, mental health or anything such like.

pol-zeath

OP I wonder what sort of reaction you wanted when you posted. Surely a simple google would have given you the imformation you needed.

In general people aren't sympathetic to criminals let alone somebody who has been convicted of a serious crime. You have come up with every excuse possible many don't ring true. Social Workers don't stop a child seeing their father due to a paternity dispute one of the reasons you say your relative snapped. It would be my guess that the crime was commited against the childs mother

Kim_kim

ryouga wrote: »

I have been a few times and no problem to a relative with mental health problems and no other family to visit him.

For the last 2 visits they have screwed up the travel expenses and this time also got a letter claiming I never handed in the hotel receipt, and extra train fare ticket (which I did) and I must do so or I wont get money nex time.

Here is the big problem, due to the location it has limited transport and first train gets in at 10.50 thats assuming its not late, the prison wont let people in after 11am so I have to get taxi.

Now you may think this is a huge extra expense but its £5 return on the bus and £7 by taxi plus I have disabilities like autism and depression meaning I get confused if I have to go long distances by myself.

But the assessor has screwed up last 2 times and only paid me £3.50 bus fare, when that was old rate and it went up a year ago to £5 and timetable changed and staff are a little stroppy and just like "well the timetable says this" and don't believe its outdated.

Anyway they also said I can stay locally and it won't be expensive when the CHEAPEST single room is £45 and theres literally 1 hotel as its a village(is a 2nd but its closed due to flooding) so I have to travel in from another town that has rooms and is cheaper and just said its my own choice to stay there but as they have underpaid me twice both times they just say to write a note with next visit and I will get the correct money, and I don't

The problem there, they gave me a straight through ticket despite me claiming for each stage of the journey which actually costs half the price of a straight through one(and exactly the same trains) because of this I paid a extra £16 out of my own pocket which they wont refund.

It's a bad situation I couldn't of gone if I didnt get the money but then I leave my family member with mental health issues to go without any support.

And they "lose" things I send them but luckily I have proof just worried.

What can I do?

I had no idea the state funded prison visits.

Why do they fund hotels too?

Aren't prison visits quite short?

A working person might have a 10 hour day easily between commuting & actual work.

Would your travel & visit take more than 10 hours?

Kim_kim

christaitfife wrote: »

About to rant here....

If a person has committed a crime they should rightfully be punished. I would prefer that they hadn't committed the crime in the first place, but they have. The punishment should be balanced with the intention of ensuring reoffending is reduced to the maximum amount. We are failing on the latter,

As a society we tend to think about punishment before reducing reoffending. Look at the US prison system - long incarceration periods, minimum rights and humiliation in the clothes they wear (some are even forced to wear pink underwear). We think "they committed the crime so it is good that they are being punished hard". The issue here, as these inmates have some of the highest reoffending rates in the world.

Norway has by far the lowest reoffending rates in Europe. Want to see what their 'prison system' is like: http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/feb/25/norwegian-prison-inmates-treated-like-people

Stopping reoffeding should be the priority after a sentence is handed down. If this means paying for low-income families to keep in contact - i'm all for it. Heck, give them TV's and training courses, and sun decks and everything else. If they are released and don't commit another crime it saves us money, it saves someone from being a victim and it makes the country a little bit better. A prison sentence is the loss of freedom and rehabilitating, not the loss of family, mental health or anything such like.

I think they should just get the basics.
And education & training - lots of that in practical things that they can support themselves & have a job when they are released.