Psychics

Johnnytwostep

Is this thread still going. Didn't see that happening. Neither did anyone else, and I mean ANYONE.

midnitegremlin

ScorpiondeRooftrouser wrote: »

Do the people who object to "nay-sayers" saying psychics don't exist also object to people telling them not to send money to a Nigerian Prince who has a billion dollars waiting for you?

It's the same thing. I don't care about psychics. Neither me, nor any of my close friends, or my family, are going to be scammed by them. I am trying to help other people and stop them being scammed.

But would you say that about other forms of belief- religion, for example. There ARE people who believe psychics are real, and there are psychics who believe psychics are real.

So, is there a difference betwee a "scam" preacher, and a real one? A "scam" witch and a real one? A "scam" Imam, Rabbit, Guru etc... and a "real" one?

See what I mean?

MarkBargain

I totally take your point there, midnitegremlin. I suppose psychics stand out those as their claims are so bold - speaking to the dead, seeing into your past, seeing into your future - nearly always with a hefty fee for doing so and never with any proof of being able to do so.

There must be psychics who believe they are genuine, in fact Derren Brown said the training courses psychics go on attempt to teach them cold reading techniques while still allowing them to believe they are genuine.

no1catman

See that's your problem, you can't get past the possibility that the 'soul' carries on, and still wishes well to those left behind.


After all after biological death, the only ones that suffer are those left behind. You may think you wouldn't be comforted, but many come seeking, and find comfort in hearing - no more pain anymore - after the medium recounts the afflictions. Heartened too, by being told of some recent activity of theirs that the 'deceased' observed from beyond the veil.


Personally, I don't think it tenable to believe all who are tested are fake, therefore it's the test is skewed so it's impossible to pass. Hence, most realise it's not worth trying it.


And courses, the only ones I know of are through Spiritualist organisations, the National Spiritualist Union - which I believe Lord Hugh Dowding (of Battle of Britain fame) had a lot to do with in its early years; and the Christian Spiritualist Society - help people refine their 'gift'.

ScorpiondeRooftrouser

midnitegremlin wrote: »

But would you say that about other forms of belief- religion, for example. There ARE people who believe psychics are real, and there are psychics who believe psychics are real.

So, is there a difference betwee a "scam" preacher, and a real one? A "scam" witch and a real one? A "scam" Imam, Rabbit, Guru etc... and a "real" one?

See what I mean?

Pretty much all the people making money out of religion are doing it as a scam.

There are some very sincere people lower down the religious tree, who genuinely believe and are trying to help people.

I don't believe there is anyone who thinks they are a genuine psychic who charges people for readings.

The people going on the courses MarkBargain refers to are paying for the courses, and are the scammed rather than the scammers.

I make an exception, of course, for the Rabbits.

ScorpiondeRooftrouser

no1catman wrote: »

See that's your problem, you can't get past the possibility that the 'soul' carries on, and still wishes well to those left behind.


After all after biological death, the only ones that suffer are those left behind. You may think you wouldn't be comforted, but many come seeking, and find comfort in hearing - no more pain anymore - after the medium recounts the afflictions. Heartened too, by being told of some recent activity of theirs that the 'deceased' observed from beyond the vail.

And? I could tell bereaved people a pack of lies that would make them feel better.

You know when that becomes a bad thing? When I charge them for it.

MarkBargain

no1catman wrote: »

Heartened too, by being told of some recent activity of theirs that the 'deceased' observed from beyond the veil.

The whole point of a funeral is to give some closure and help the bereaved come to terms with the death of a loved one. Being told of 'recent activity' could be damaging to them couldn't it?!

no1catman wrote: »

Personally, I don't think it tenable to believe all who are tested are fake, therefore it's the test is skewed so it's impossible to pass. Hence, most realise it's not worth trying it.

Oh, come on. It would be easy to prove if true. Instead, when tested, psychics get caught out time and time again. Look at these three: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4qGfNViVN8

midnitegremlin

ScorpiondeRooftrouser wrote: »

I don't believe there is anyone who thinks they are a genuine psychic who charges people for readings.

I'm sure at least some psychics FEEL they have a genuine power/talent. Charging people for a service isn't necessarily a bad thing especially if they hold it to be a bona fide service.

wary

Derren Brown once correctly predicted the results of the National Lottery, so there MUST be something in it ... LOL

Q: Why don't gypsies use contraceptives?
A: Because they have crystal balls so they can see it coming.

Morglin

My ex mother in law was shafted for hundreds of pounds by a succession of so called mediums and psychics.

She was so gullible and just would not listen. I made her take me to one to prove what a load of cods it all was - sure enough, where I refused to help with the reading by subconsciously feeding him information, he could tell me nothing about anything. :wall:

I do think sone mediums are genuinely deluded, and think they have a gift, but most are just charlatans and con artists - however, they all still hold their hands out the cash they want. :mad:

On another note, I came as close to death as its possible to be, some years back.

I have to say there were no visions of dead people or pets, no white lights, no tunnels, no choirs of angels, and no elderly chaps with a beard......:whistle:

But, mediums and ghosts are the same - there will always be people who believe and see truth in them.

Harmless - unless they are getting ripped off financially.

I believe mediums etc., now have to advertise as 'providing a purely entertainment service' and are not allowed to make claims about anything.

"Here in the UK, psychics have to be VERY careful when making claims. In 2008 the 'Consumer Protection' law was amended to include psychics, mediums and other practitioners of the paranormal. They are now effectively covered by consumer law and cannot make unsubstantiated claims. In essence this means that most such people have to display a notice which says that what they do is 'for entertainment only'.
Of course the fortune tellers and psychics did not like this one little bit. They organised marches and protests against the new legislation, but happily to no avail.
So, if you live in the UK and are tempted to visit a spiritualist, psychic, medium, fortune teller or any other such practitioner, don't forget that you are protected by the law. If they claim that they can talk to your recently deceased relative, or they can tell what your future holds, then make sure they have a disclaimer which says that it is for entertainment purpose".

Lin