EU Deal - Money still sent to other economies

wotsthat

If this deal was what we were waiting for as a trigger for the referendum then let's get on with it and stop fannying about.

Has anyone/ will anyone change their mind about the EU? We've been in the EU for decades - just how much longer do people need to form an opinion?

I've not and won't change my mind but I've still got Graham and Clapton down as maybes.

kabayiri

Cameron is looking at the wrong end of the migration equation.

If he can encourage hundreds of thousands of Brits to go and work in Europe every year then he can achieve the net migration figures.

Scrap things like JSA, and instead provide people with very cheap transport loans to go find work in places like Krakow.

mayonnaise

Agreed, this emergency brake is a bit of a damp squib.
Cameron shouldn't waste his time trying to get concessions on immigration, or migrant benefits. I know it's important for the bigot brigade but it's a side issue really.

mwpt

kabayiri wrote: »

Cameron is looking at the wrong end of the migration equation.

If he can encourage hundreds of thousands of Brits to go and work in Europe every year then he can achieve the net migration figures.

Scrap things like JSA, and instead provide people with very cheap transport loans to go find work in places like Krakow.

Heheh.

HelpToTravel.

mrginge

First it was Gideon and his victory over not paying that EU surcharge that we did pay.
Then last week it's his victory over Google and their tax bill.
Now call me Dave is in on the act, with the ultimate victory of winning concessions on actions we already have, but putting more beaurocracy in the way of actually using them.

The big question is, will the British public still vote stay despite this slime-encrusted shambles.

kabayiri

mwpt wrote: »

Heheh.

HelpToTravel.

In less than a decade, half of Europe will be commuting across borders to work in the other half of Europe.

The remaining half will all be working in the benefits claims departments from the country of origin.

Businesses will ultimately congregate along these borders. The Franco-German border will effectively be a line of "Issue de Grande" sellers

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

Agreed, this emergency brake is a bit of a damp squib.
Cameron shouldn't waste his time trying to get concessions on immigration, or migrant benefits. I know it's important for the bigot brigade but it's a side issue really.

you should really be posting on the house price board.

Graham_Devon

mwpt wrote: »

Oh right, I thought you meant people were literally laughing at him on TV as he have his little wibble. That would have been worth turning on for.

Well.... Farage is if that's of any help!?

Sapphire

kabayiri wrote: »

Cameron is looking at the wrong end of the migration equation.

If he can encourage hundreds of thousands of Brits to go and work in Europe every year then he can achieve the net migration figures.

Scrap things like JSA, and instead provide people with very cheap transport loans to go find work in places like Krakow.

Beautiful city, Krakow. Unfortunately, there are few jobs in Poland, which is why so many Poles either leave the country or go to Warsaw to find work.

I suspect everyone's views on the issue of immigration are coloured by their experiences, education and origins. For myself, I am the daughter of people from a country that suffered (traumatically) from successive waves of invaders, from the Ottomans to Russians and Prussians, who has severely traumatised parents, and whose grandparents, great-grandparents and further back experienced invasions that obliterated their country from the map of Europe for more than a century. I know what it's like to lose everything (including family) to such invasions, and how hard it is to regain what has been lost under such circumstances. My views on this issue are therefore coloured by these events, as well as by intensive study of history and prehistory, and a good knowledge of natural history.

However, moving away from this contentious subject, until last year I had no idea of Germany's grand plan for Europe to be run as some kind of 'united states' under the orders of Germany. I was shocked at the way unelected bureaucrats in Brussels suddenly appeared to start to dictate to sovereign European nations what they should be doing politically. Political union (with no prior consultation with citizens of Europe) was not something I had imagined was the aim of the people who run the EU. I had previously heard about certain economic decisions that appeared even to me to be nonsensical, but disregarded these as fairly minor, and always imagined that the EU was economical and fairly benign, not political.

I strongly believe that European nations should remain sovereign, retain their unique identities, and have the ability to set their own laws and run their countries as they see fit, via governments elected by the people of those countries. This is one of the main reasons why I will be voting to leave.

I have always been in favour of economic collaboration in Europe, but I think under the EU this is deeply flawed. It was totally absurd for the countries of the EU that have the Euro to all have adopted the same currency, for example, given that their economies are all very different, with some being much weaker than others. The fact that this was not recognised before the adoption of a common currency, smacks to me of severe incompetence, and I'm sure it will have more negative economic repercussions for mainland Europe further down the line.

kabayiri

Sapphire wrote: »

Beautiful city, Krakow. Unfortunately, there are few jobs in Poland, which is why so many Poles either leave the country or go to Warsaw to find work.
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UK companies are outsourcing work there though. I know. I have been to the offices of one place.

Really nice offices too. Ironically, they have a problem recruiting good young staff with the right skills.