If we vote for Brexit what happens

cells

Conrad wrote: »

Yeah, course they do mate. Isn't it great the naïve middle class professors that make these conclusions went out and studied the cash in hand traders, those with kebab shops with rooms let above for cash in hand that take back that cash to Turkey to 'clean it up' and bring it back to the UK, the army of folk on low pay that pay little of no tax enjoying in work housing benefit and all the rest


Fingers right on the pulse, ta da

The black and grey market is not limited to kebaba shops, prostitution and hard drugs is probably multiple times bigger and presumably these kebab shops dont engage in that. Also what of all the tradesmen that do similar up and down the country. I've had quotes for work and when I mention I will need an invoice and would like to pay by card they play it cool but decide they are busy subsequently. Or even the 'legal' entities like apple corp who are not based in any country and pay no tax


Migrants may not directly pay a lot of tax but each working migrant directly and indirectly pays in the region of £20k pa almost irrespective of their job and wage. This applies if they are stacking shelves for £7.20 an hour or if they are doctors on the NHS earning £150k a year due to the displacement factor. Think of it like an army, if they take on one additional person who they allocate to sweet the floors and all this person does is sweep the floors for 10 hours a day. That might not be a hugely productive role but it frees up the old floor sweeper to do something higher up, that person can then do something higher up, and so on and so on. So this +1 person has actually added +1 average person capability to the army rather than +1 floor sweeper

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

Yeah, course they do mate. Isn't it great the naïve middle class professors that make these conclusions went out and studied the cash in hand traders, those with kebab shops with rooms let above for cash in hand that take back that cash to Turkey to 'clean it up' and bring it back to the UK, the army of folk on low pay that pay little of no tax enjoying in work housing benefit and all the rest


Fingers right on the pulse, ta da

So, just like pretty much every other cash in hand job in the world, then?

The thing is, though, that money still gets spent somewhere eventually, no? So we're better off having them here and not paying full tax on it, than not having it at all?

Conrad

Herzlos wrote: »

So, just like pretty much every other cash in hand job in the world, then?

The thing is, though, that money still gets spent somewhere eventually, no? So we're better off having them here and not paying full tax on it, than not having it at all?

Corbynistas fight for benefits and tax concessions that aid people that in large number are far better off than they reveal.


Why should law abiding people pay their taxes to directly benefit masses of folk that play the system?


So many times I see people with supposedly low earnings benefitting from the welfare state / lower taxes, that are living very comfortable lives. This leads to the masses becoming resentful

lisyloo

What's your evidence Conrad - I'm genuinely interested.

I have known a few who played the system but more who were struggling to make ends meet.
Do you have figures or is it just based on your personal experience.

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

Corbynistas fight for benefits and tax concessions that aid people that in large number are far better off than they reveal.

Just like the Tories, then?

I get the impression that the scale of benefits fraud is vastly overblown to keep the population angry and scroungers and not the real fraudsters. Sure, there are some people who game the benfits system, but many more than need help, and the money lost via benfits fraud is barely a rounding error when you've got peers and multinational companies dodging billions in tax.

Crashy_Time

http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-germany-banks-idUKKCN11Y1FH

glasgowdan

Wow, are you still going?

BobQ

Conrad wrote: »

Yeah, course they do mate. Isn't it great the naïve middle class professors that make these conclusions went out and studied the cash in hand traders, those with kebab shops with rooms let above for cash in hand that take back that cash to Turkey to 'clean it up' and bring it back to the UK, the army of folk on low pay that pay little of no tax enjoying in work housing benefit and all the rest


Fingers right on the pulse, ta da

While there is little real evidence to justify your assertion, I agree it almost certainly happens. But it is the system that allows it to happen. There are equally many of British citizens who work cash in hand, let rooms for cash. Many others have very creative accountants to endorse their status as upright citizen. Yet more have buy to let HMO properties with only some income going through the books.

Its the system that allows it. Granted that Brexit may allow us to banish the non-citizens and stop their little game. It may also curtail those Brits who do the same tax evasion in other countries.

So is it really an anti-foreigner stance you are taking or are you in favour of clamping down on all tax evasion and some aggressive tax avoidance that keps a year ahead of the HMRC?

BobQ

lisyloo wrote: »

What's your evidence Conrad - I'm genuinely interested.

I have known a few who played the system but more who were struggling to make ends meet.
Do you have figures or is it just based on your personal experience.

To be fair the evidence is bound to be difficult to gather unless the people are in the system.

The evidence is that benefit fraud is very low is (IIRC benefits fraud and overpayments run at about 2% and some of that gets repaid). But the difficult thing to measure is the undetected fraud that people do because they expect to get away with it.

brit1234

Harrods fine wine basement set to make way for new restaurant

The 7,000 sq ft basement, which sells wines and champagnes at eye-popping prices, opened in 2013 when prime central London was in the grip of an unprecedented boom, with homes being sold for record sums.

The department was set up to cater to clients willing to part with £24,995 for a Louis XIII Cognac Le Jeroboam, or £18,000 for a Louis Roederer Cristal Gold Caged Jeroboam.


But it appears the champagne bubble has burst. Property prices in the area are plunging, foreign buyers have all but vanished and a planning application lodged with the council reveals Harrods proposes converting the department into an evening restaurant.


http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/harrods-fine-wine-basement-set-to-make-way-for-new-restaurant-a3354791.html

Interesting anecdotal of what we have seen already of the house price falls in central London rippling out.