If we vote for Brexit what happens

Thrugelmir

cells wrote: »

If we don't import migrants then the working class kids will have to pick the strawberries, stack the shelves and wipe the bums.

Why not the older middle class? Pension saving rates are so poor they'll be working until state pension age.

lisyloo

People getting near pension age won't be able to work in fields picking fruit and veg or at least employers won't want them.
Some jobs might go, for example the hand car washes that are mostly staffed by immigrants, corner shops/petrol stations open all hours - maybe we'll go back to the way things were where you used a car wash or did your own.

AFF8879

johnbusby wrote: »

FTBs have been well and truly priced out in many parts of the country ...

I don't know why people constantly refer to "the housing crisis" as if it were some national phenomenon. In the vast majority of the U.K., housing is affordable and in many areas actually dirt cheap.

The problem from what I can gather is with a shift to urban lifestyles. Hence cities and commuter towns have seen massive increases in price driven by this (amongst other factors of course).

I bought my first flat in London a few months back using years worth of savings, knowing the same money could have bought me a huge 4/5 bedroom house in other parts of the country. People want to live where they are happy and will make sacrifices to do so - speaking to my parents, friends and colleagues, it doesn't sound like buying a house was ever cheap or easy. People have to scrimp and save.

Why is it a travesty that not everyone can afford to buy a house?? Surely the government should focus on ensuring affordable rental accommodation is available, as let's be honest it's not as though minimum wage earners are likely to be able to afford a mortgage - and crippling them with high rents is more unjust than them not being able to buy, IMO.

cells

lisyloo wrote: »

People getting near pension age won't be able to work in fields picking fruit and veg or at least employers won't want them.
Some jobs might go, for example the hand car washes that are mostly staffed by immigrants, corner shops/petrol stations open all hours - maybe we'll go back to the way things were where you used a car wash or did your own.

Those jobs are small in number

Many migrants work in the low end sectors like hospitality retail and catering. Long term unemployment is 1% in the UK. This isn't economics this is simple mathematics. Without the low skilled migrants doing those jobs and pushing the lower skill UK workforce up the skill and pay bands then the UK workforce will have to do those jobs.

So ironically the lower paid who voted out voted for their own working class kids to do the crap low paid jobs.

And yes a smaller number of totally unproductive businesses and jobs will simply disappear

Conrad

1.4 million unemployed, they need to do those jobs rather than suffer the indignity of state benefits,

Wages will rise which will help and as to those firms that complain they won't have enough migrants, tough, time to start making relationships with schools and planning for training British youth.....like we used to

mrginge

cells wrote: »

Those jobs are small in number

Many migrants work in the low end sectors like hospitality retail and catering. Long term unemployment is 1% in the UK. This isn't economics this is simple mathematics. Without the low skilled migrants doing those jobs and pushing the lower skill UK workforce up the skill and pay bands then the UK workforce will have to do those jobs.

So ironically the lower paid who voted out voted for their own working class kids to do the crap low paid jobs.

And yes a smaller number of totally unproductive businesses and jobs will simply disappear

Your simplistic logic assumes that the number of low paid jobs is consistent.

Increasing population, low wage inflation and consistent unemployment would suggest otherwise.

Dare I suggest that rather than working class kids moving up skill and pay bands (where did they suddenly get all these new skills from?) they are instead trapped in an increasing number of low-paid jobs?

How many minimum wage baristas are employed today?
How many were there ten years ago?

Thrugelmir

The UK is becoming a less skilled workforce. We make far less than we ever did. With some industries non existant.

Sapphire

Conrad wrote: »

1.4 million unemployed, they need to do those jobs rather than suffer the indignity of state benefits,

Wages will rise which will help and as to those firms that complain they won't have enough migrants, tough, time to start making relationships with schools and planning for training British youth.....like we used to

That is indeed true. From people I've talked to who have offspring in their twenties and even thirties, many of these children (including some in my family!) – despite having a 'uni' education and being quite bright – appear to have little drive, and like to stick around in their parents' homes. This is really counter-productive – there was a time when you just knew you had to work to survive as soon as you left school, even if you worked in some menial and 'boring' job. Actually, such jobs can be a good school in life (I worked in things like a shoe shop, Woolworths and a pub for a while and thoroughly enjoyed it and learned from it), and give people the opportunity to meet others and take off into 'better' things. The trouble is that some of the above mentioned children don't have to work – and not working is even causing emotional problems in some cases due to empty time and no sense of purpose. Everyone needs to have a purpose, no matter if it's 'just' working at fruit picking, or in a cafe, and so on, and such experience in life can lead to other things. Perhaps the education system is lacking in that it doesn't instil a need to work in some children, as the Polish system and probably Poles' 'family values' certainly do in Poles, for example? I also think it's a mistake for everyone to go to 'uni' (only a small proportion did so until a few decades ago), and that apprenticeships and/or on-the-job training would be far more beneficial to many people…

BobQ

Conrad wrote: »

1.4 million unemployed, they need to do those jobs rather than suffer the indignity of state benefits,

Wages will rise which will help and as to those firms that complain they won't have enough migrants, tough, time to start making relationships with schools and planning for training British youth.....like we used to

In theory this should happen but in practice will it? These firms will increasingly turn to automation rather than pay the wages.

Thrugelmir

BobQ wrote: »

In theory this should happen but in practice will it? These firms will increasingly turn to automation rather than pay the wages.

Automation isn't an option for SME's. Higher employment costs will restrict the speed with which smaller businesses will expand. As not just wages that are increasing but pensions as well.