If we vote for Brexit what happens

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

Amazing stuff. A brexit bounce long before we even brexited.

confidence old boy
don't you know the importance of confidence

althought the banking crisis in China and the coming collapse of Germany is likely to take a toll on the UK

iantojones40

Ozzuk wrote: »

Looks like certain groups targeting of various forums trying to incite panic and lower prices has missed its mark somewhat. Not really a surprise!

I just had offer accepted on some woodland today so I'm a happy bunny, brexit not putting me off land investment!

Yay! Well done! Good on you!

It's lovely to hear of someone buying their own little piece of countryside and nature and not worrying about the fact financially it won't actually prove profitable.

wotsthat

CLAPTON wrote: »

I struggle with how one can be cynical about the secrecy of something that you consider doesn't exist or how it can helpful to the Tories in 4 years time.

Maybe you're too trusting. I'm cynical about..

- the existence of a plan
- claims that a plan exists but is a big secret
- any political party acting in other than their own best interest which, in this case, might include by-passing parliament to avoid the usual case of Tory European Hari Kari.

The negotiators for the UK should be expected to get their deal through parliament as well as across Mrs. May's desk. It's not much to ask or expect.

CLAPTON

wotsthat wrote: »

Maybe you're too trusting. I'm cynical about..

- the existence of a plan
- claims that a plan exists but is a big secret
- any political party acting in other than their own best interest which, in this case, might include by-passing parliament to avoid the usual case of Tory European Hari Kari.

The negotiators for the UK should be expected to get their deal through parliament as well as across Mrs. May's desk. It's not much to ask or expect.

the first real test will be invoking Article 50
lets hope that is as soon as possible and no later than spring 2017.
this would mean we leave before the next election.

cells

The government needs to realize that EU migration is two directional.
I dont know the exact figures but just for arguments sake lets say currently EU migrants coming into the UK are 200k a year while those leaving are 100k a year to give a net number of +100k a year.

If the UK aims to cut off all EU migration it wont go from +100k a year to zero. It will go to -100k a year.

That will cause a whole host of problems not least the fact that losing a million young working EU migrants (over the decade) rather than gaining a million is going to be economically bad news


Maybe Clapton will get his wish, no migrants to clean our toilets, stack our shelves and wipe our bums. I guess its back to the local working class kids to do those jobs rather than be pushed up the skill and pay grades thanks to the migrants.

Thrugelmir

cells wrote: »

If the UK aims to cut off all EU migration it wont go from +100k a year to zero. It will go to -100k a year.

That's an extreme view. Policy will be based on a pragmatic view of the skills required.

glasgowdan

iantojones40 wrote: »

Yay! Well done! Good on you!

It's lovely to hear of someone buying their own little piece of countryside and nature and not worrying about the fact financially it won't actually prove profitable.

Do you appreciate how clueless this makes you sound? Are you planning to buy a house sometime in the future? Just so we have some background on you and understand your reasons for being so ignorant.

cells

Thrugelmir wrote: »

That's an extreme view. Policy will be based on a pragmatic view of the skills required.

The workforce changes to meet the demands and needs of the UK. If we import low skilled migrants (or even high skilled but without decent English language abilities) then that group is allocated the low skill low pay jobs. If we don't import migrants then the working class kids will have to pick the strawberries, stack the shelves and wipe the bums.

BobQ

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

In interesting "piece" in the Telegraph (20th Sept) of "5 reasons" - giving for & against an EU "hardball" stance.
Interestingly although it seems reasonably balanced, NO thought is given to possible changes in EU attitudes due to forthcoming elections etc.
Much can change in two years - who would have imagined the current scenario back in 2014 for example?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/20/five-reasons-why-europe-will-make-life-impossible-for-theresa-ma/

Either option is plausible. There are fanatics in the EU who are genuinely scared and do want to teach UK a lesson. Equally there are fanatics in the UK that believe the UK is so powerful that it can thrive whatever the EU does. If either of these prevail both UK and the EU will suffer, but it could happen. We know what fanatics do.

Pragmatism is of course the solution and will be mutually beneficial. The question is will common sense be allowed to prevail. We have spent many years building up ways of working with the EU in so many areas such as security, policing, sensible product standards, research collaboration, health and safety standards, opportunities to study abroad, recognising other national qualifications, etc. Not everything about what the EU has done is bad. Just because we want to follow different approaches on fishing, agriculture and migration should not mean we throw out what works.

Eric_the_half_a_bee

cells wrote: »

The government needs to realize that EU migration is two directional.
I dont know the exact figures but just for arguments sake lets say currently EU migrants coming into the UK are 200k a year while those leaving are 100k a year to give a net number of +100k a year..

What makes you think it doesn't already realize this?