If we vote for Brexit what happens

sheff6107

MobileSaver wrote: »

Excuse me?!? 100,000 buyers a month is "nobody" and "crippling lows", are you for real?!??!

The truth is in between. 100,000 sounds a big number, but it's below par:

kabayiri

Rinoa wrote: »

German IFO head calls on EU to offer concessions to UK on Brexit.

http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/government-economy/german-ifo-head-calls-on-eu-to-offer-brexit-concessions-to-uk

At last a pragmatist.

The last thing Europe needs right now is a self inflicted recession, driven purely because one side needs to be seen as "winning one over" on the other.

I reckon a major theme in all negotiations will be continuity. Business do not want disruption to trade.

Migration across Europe needs a serious assessment. Hungary's upcoming referendum is much more telling than Brexit because of it's singular focus on migrants.

mwpt

Moto2 wrote: »

No way

Although I was strongly in the remain camp, I accept that my view didn't prevail and we all need to face the fact that there will be some sort of Brexit without further referendum(da).

Parliament -however- should debate and vote on the eventual deal or deals.

Agree with this.

CLAPTON

Moto2 wrote: »

No way

Although I was strongly in the remain camp, I accept that my view didn't prevail and we all need to face the fact that there will be some sort of Brexit without further referendum(da).

Parliament -however- should debate and vote on the eventual deal or deals.

how do you see that working

would your vote be after we have concluded negotiations or before

if parliament refuses the deal but the people want it how would that work?

mwpt

kabayiri wrote: »

At last a pragmatist.

The last thing Europe needs right now is a self inflicted recession, driven purely because one side needs to be seen as "winning one over" on the other.

I reckon a major theme in all negotiations will be continuity. Business do not want disruption to trade.

Migration across Europe needs a serious assessment. Hungary's upcoming referendum is much more telling than Brexit because of it's singular focus on migrants.

The situation is complex. I was in France recently and was speaking to an Italian and an Austrian (couple). I mentioned that the British media is portraying a growing euro-scepticism on the continent and asked about their opinions about brexit.

This is obviously completely anecdotal but I'm just reporting what they said:

- There isn't as much discontent with the EU as the Brit media is portraying.
- They were dismayed that Britain voted leave.
- They both were firm believers in freedom of movement.
- They previously lived and met in London but now live back on the continent, in separate countries.
- They do not want the EU to compromise the principle of free movement.

So you've got one side of the coin where certain people want a pragmatic solution but on the other side you have a danger that this compromise solution will be of more benefit to Britain than to the EU and could result in fractures or discontent in the EU.

I can't imagine a situation where the UK gets a "better" deal out of brexit than inside the EU. The narrative this sets is just not something I imagine most EU citizens want (just my guess) and certainly not most EU political leaders.

kabayiri

mwpt wrote: »

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I can't imagine a situation where the UK gets a "better" deal out of brexit than inside the EU. The narrative this sets is just not something I imagine most EU citizens want (just my guess) and certainly not most EU political leaders.

You or I can not judge whether it's a "better" deal or not though.

It's a new reality now.

The EU was never going to stand still. Regardless of Brexit we were still on a crash course with the EU over the direction it was heading. It is clear that people like Juncker want greater integration and centralisation of power, and that has never really been attractive to UK politicians.

A political fudge solution will be found; there will be enough in it for both sides to claim a victory. That's the way politics works.

Longer term we will not be a participant in the EU plans, and we may even diverge.

Moto2

CLAPTON wrote: »

how do you see that working

would your vote be after we have concluded negotiations or before

if parliament refuses the deal but the people want it how would that work?

After, negotiations would conclude after they'd been ratified (or not) by parliament, if not ratified they'd need to try again.
Isn't that how most acts of parliament work?
What happened after the 70's vote to join and the terms agreed? was it put through using Royal prerogative or by a debate in parliament?

mrginge

mwpt wrote: »

Agree with this.

So you've given up on the idea of a general election then.

Good to see you're slowly coming around. Fair way to go yet though but we'll get there.

CLAPTON

Moto2 wrote: »

After, negotiations would conclude after they'd been ratified (or not) by parliament, if not ratified they'd need to try again.
Isn't that how most acts of parliament work?
What happened after the 70's vote to join and the terms agreed? was it put through using Royal prerogative or by a debate in parliament?

So you would envisage us negotiating a detailed position with the EU, the EU ratifying the deal with all 27 countries whilst they were fully aware that the UK parliament / new referendum might reject the deal.
It would seem to put our negotiating team in an extremely weak position.
Would you see both parliament voting and then a referendum?
If they disagreed who would have precedence.

Moto2

CLAPTON wrote: »

Would you see both parliament voting and then a referendum?
If they disagreed who would have precedence.

I've already said, I wouldn't favour a further referendum, parliament is elected to make decisions, they've been given a referendum decision, they need to work it out.

It's not for me to see or do anything until the next General Election