If we vote for Brexit what happens

Rinoa

mwpt wrote: »

You seem to be shaped by your hatred of the EU. Are there ever good outcomes for people when we let hate dictate out politics?

I hate the way EU operates.

You hate everyone who voted Brexit.

Rinoa

BobQ wrote: »

Why would you think that they feel the need to make such a collective statement? Does it suggest that the other 23 are more amenable to chages affecting freedom of movement?

I guess they're just looking after their own. There are many self interest groupings in the EU. Too many countries with differing views of what the EU should be. The Visguard 4 in particular don't like the way everything is decided by France and Germany.

Doesn't appear sustainable to me.

Filo25

A Hard Brexit is looking ever more likely, I don't see Europe being able to offer any bigger compromise than Freedom of Movement of Labour (as opposed to people) in exchange for Single market access.

Equally it appears a lot of Tory eurosceptics would want a hard Brexit whatever the EU offered.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Filo25 wrote: »

A Hard Brexit is looking ever more likely, I don't see Europe being able to offer any bigger compromise than Freedom of Movement of Labour (as opposed to people) in exchange for Single market access.

Equally it appears a lot of Tory eurosceptics would want a hard Brexit whatever the EU offered.

In the current climate I would tend to agree.
There is however one fly in that particular ointment; forthcoming elections in various EU member countries.
By the end of next year we may well see that much has changed - without the UK having to do a single thing or suggest a single agreement.

mrginge

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

In the current climate I would tend to agree.
There is however one fly in that particular ointment; forthcoming elections in various EU member countries.
By the end of next year we may well see that much has changed - without the UK having to do a single thing or suggest a single agreement.

Interesting times.
how do German political parties tell their electorate what their strategy and requirements for dealing with brexit are, when country X can simply throw a very large spanner shaped veto in the way.

I don't expect a hard brexit, simply because there are too many losers in such an outcome. But in true EU fashion, I do expect the mother of all fudged, can-kicked and delayed deals to be delivered.

Hamish said something remotely sensible the other day - the answer to europe's problems is more Europe. He's right because while ever they keep up this half-arsed level of integration their ability to actually decide on anything as a bloc is compromised. When you reach the point that you have smaller groups of countries (V4) banding together within the 27 then it's time to pack up.
The problem of course is that more Europe is not something that a lot of people and individual countries actually want.

So the UK has to negotiate a position with the eu, that has to reach consensus with the V4, that has had to reach consensus between its four members. Can't wait for Poland and Slovakia to join forces as v4.1 so they can threaten to veto the v4 discussions.

Rinoa

Nobody likes us for leaving. They don't want us to succeed outside the EU so looks to me like a hard brexit.

A thought occurs to me. With the EU in such a mess I wonder how many countries secretly envy us for escaping.

gfplux

mrginge wrote: »

Interesting times.
how do German political parties tell their electorate what their strategy and requirements for dealing with brexit are, when country X can simply throw a very large spanner shaped veto in the way.

I don't expect a hard brexit, simply because there are too many losers in such an outcome. But in true EU fashion, I do expect the mother of all fudged, can-kicked and delayed deals to be delivered.

Hamish said something remotely sensible the other day - the answer to europe's problems is more Europe. He's right because while ever they keep up this half-arsed level of integration their ability to actually decide on anything as a bloc is compromised. When you reach the point that you have smaller groups of countries (V4) banding together within the 27 then it's time to pack up.
The problem of course is that more Europe is not something that a lot of people and individual countries actually want.

So the UK has to negotiate a position with the eu, that has to reach consensus with the V4, that has had to reach consensus between its four members. Can't wait for Poland and Slovakia to join forces as v4.1 so they can threaten to veto the v4 discussions.

Just picking up on your first paragraph.
How do British Political parties tell the electorate how they will handle Brexit....... Like growing mushrooms????

A_Medium_Size_Jock

gfplux wrote: »

Just picking up on your first paragraph.
How do British Political parties tell the electorate how they will handle Brexit....... Like growing mushrooms????

No, it has been very clearly stated by Theresa May herself that there will be "no running commentary" on Brexit negotiations.
Did you miss that?
http://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-no-running-commentary-on-brexit-negotiations-10568803

Crashy_Time

MobileSaver wrote: »

Yes, you got it in one!



Were you not aware that average house prices have increased by 8%, 7% and 5% over the last three years? Almost everyone who bought 3 years ago would be able to sell today for a profit. I know that's not what the HPC crowd want to hear but it is what it is...

If only they could all find a buyer eh? You are confusing the fantasy of low supply meaning prices can`t drop with the fantasy of automatic profit guaranteed! Can`t have both I`m afraid, you either get a functioning housing market or one where people have houses on the market for years without being able to sell. Price drops are the only way forward.

BobQ

mrginge wrote: »

This is a statement targeted at the other EU countries rather than the UK.

Not exactly the statement was about the status of Visegard citizens after the referendum in the UK.