If we vote for Brexit what happens

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Re:"IMHO the Japanese are only saying what the EU have asked them to say."

Herzlos wrote: »

What makes you think that? The Japanese statement makes perfect sense from a POV - they've set up billions of Yen of industry in a gateway to a larger market, and warning said gateway that if it closes they'll move to the other side and bypass it.

They won't give up billions of Yen in profit because we don't like foreigners stealing our jobs and benefits simultaneously.

Over 20 years of business (and some social) experience with Japanese in the UK, in Japan itself and elsewhere.

The statement just this week from Katsushi Inoue (Honda's Europe President ) would appear to support my view since opposing an official stance (especially publicly) is still seriously frowned-upon by the Japanese.

Perhaps you are regarding the statement from a European's perspective (which is after all what was intended) ; however the Japanese psyche is very different with "saving face", honour and loyalty being much more prominent in their culture.
If you read the actual statement *, the EU are also "warned".

And from Die Welt:

The new Civic will be built in England, you have just invested converted 235 million euros in the plant. And what about the Proposed referendum on United Kingdom membership of the European Union?
Inoue: The decision to expand the plant and to modernize fell long before the vote. For all risks that we others can not be sure how many, nothing will change in our commitment to the site in Swindon. The plant plays a clear role in our global production network, the Civic is produced here for the United States. We definitely stay true to our location.

Translated link for you: https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.welt.de/motor/news/article158189403/Drei-Fragen-an-Katsushi-Inoue-Praesident-Honda-Motor-Europe.html&prev=search

* From statement, with relevant wording highlighted:

The Government of Japan trusts that the UK and the EU, by heeding such requests to the fullest extent and responding to them in a cooperative manner, will maintain the current business environment or alleviate the impacts of any radical changes, so as to remain an attractive destination for doing business.

http://www.mofa.go.jp/files/000185466.pdf

Harper123

And my smugness only relates to having trusted my intincts and followed my own path, doing what was best for me, rather than being overwhelmed by some people on here, who quite frankly shout very loudly.

I'd have been more smug if I'd bought in Hemel but I couldn't do it because my number one rule is only buy somewhere you'll be happy to live and make your home for a long time.

My best friend bought in Hemel a couple of months before me at the start of 2013 and is now moving to Leighton Buzzard having made an eye watering £130,000 in 3 and a half years, having done nothing to the house other than change the cabinets in the kitchen and the tiles in the bathroom. The house she's bought in Leighton Buzzard (Linslade) is £20,000 more than she originally paid for her Hemel place and is bigger.

Buying in Hemel in 2012/2013 was a good time to buy. But I just couldn't do it as at the end of the day I need a home I'm happy with.

Just because you don't want to buy doesn't mean that other people haven't been making choices and buying homes that have worked very well for them.

iantojones40

glasgowdan wrote: »

Your post makes no sense. Do you think that no houses have genuinely had a significant price increase in the last 3 years? Because if you do then you're so wrong I feel like an idiot for even responding.

You've obviously either not read my post properly or you had trouble understanding it... I gave 3 caveats and the o.p. has confirmed that he has in fact moved to a cheaper area.

Try not to feel like too much of an idiot.

sabretoothtigger

cells wrote: »

The UK won't become a third world country nor should you expect us to become a world power at the helm of a Commonwealth ship. Both an unrealistic

At most we are all arguing about a 5% difference in GDP over the next 10 years. Its not world changing but it is significant.

Growth is cumulative so it is important even a small difference

mayonnaise wrote: »

The Commonwealth??? :rotfl:

Apart from the UK, only 3 countries in the Commonwealth with any economical clout. Canada, Australia and India.

Exports to these 3 combined (2010 figures) were smaller than our exports to.....Belgium.

India is the fastest growing country in the world. The crime is that we dont export a ton more there in some shape or form. I doubt we'll be selling them alot more cotton manufactured clothes somehow but UK should be totally involved in the development of such a key country for the future

Belgium isnt growing, we can keep on doing business with whatever is going there. If leaving EU means greater focus elsewhere on markets growing far faster, it should prove a positive. Of course the status quo I can believe favours Belgium

buglawton

Brexit means the UK will have to stop leasing it's world trading brain from Brussels/the EU.

Which is a good thing.

Rinoa

Excellent news.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37396805

A group of Central European EU members known as the Visegrad Four is ready to veto any Brexit deal that would limit people's right to work in the UK, Slovakian PM Robert Fico says.
In an interview with the Reuters news agency, Mr Fico said Hungary, Poland, the Czech Republic and Slovakia would be uncompromising in negotiations.
His comments come a day after the EU's first major meeting without the UK.
Brexit, though not formally discussed, overshadowed the Bratislava summit.

At the same news conference, Mr Fico underlined that he and other Central European leaders whose citizens make up much of the EU migrant population in Britain would not let those people become "second class citizens".

"V4 [Visegrad group] countries will be uncompromising," he said. "Unless we feel a guarantee that these people are equal, we will veto any agreement between the EU and Britain."

Looks like we'll be spared a shabby compromise where we still have to kowtow to the whims of the EU. Hard Brexit here we come.

Interestingly the Visguard group, whilst demanding their citizens are 'equal' and should be allowed to roam and work wherever they wish, are rebelling against the EU's quota system whereby they themselves are allocated a fixed number of migrants they have to accept.

EU countries though.

BobQ

Rinoa wrote: »

Excellent news.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37396805

Looks like we'll be spared a shabby compromise where we still have to kowtow to the whims of the EU. Hard Brexit here we come.

Interestingly the Visguard group, whilst demanding their citizens are 'equal' and should be allowed to roam and work wherever they wish, are rebelling against the EU's quota system whereby they themselves are allocated a fixed number of migrants they have to accept.

EU countries though.

Why would you think that they feel the need to make such a collective statement? Does it suggest that the other 23 are more amenable to chages affecting freedom of movement?

mwpt

Rinoa wrote: »

Excellent news.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37396805

You seem to be shaped by your hatred of the EU. Are there ever good outcomes for people when we let hate dictate out politics?

Mortgagefreeman

mwpt wrote: »

You seem to be shaped by your hatred of the EU. Are there ever good outcomes for people when we let hate dictate out politics?

Why not ask the Visegrad four that?

mrginge

BobQ wrote: »

Why would you think that they feel the need to make such a collective statement? Does it suggest that the other 23 are more amenable to chages affecting freedom of movement?

I dont doubt for a second that some members would be more amenable to FoM changes as a price for continued access to the UK market.
The opposite is also equally true.
Each country's view will depend on (amongst other things) how many people in that country take advantage of FoM and how many businesses take advantage of SM.

This is a statement targeted at the other EU countries rather than the UK.