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If we vote for Brexit what happens

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  • Crashy_Time
    Crashy_Time Posts: 13,386 Forumite
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    jimbog wrote: »
    'We haven’t really started on the Brexit negotiations and we have so much else to factor in to house prices that predicting their future direction is extremely difficult'


    More people would say they can/are going down than a few years ago though?
  • hanb
    hanb Posts: 464 Forumite
    More people would say they can/are going down than a few years ago though?

    Not here they're not! But this thread does keep me amused!

    I complete on a house this week. Viewed and offered before Brexit, no price change and mortgage is £350 a month cheaper and very pleased with our decision.. if it makes a difference :)
  • jimbog
    jimbog Posts: 2,280 Forumite
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    More people would say they can/are going down than a few years ago though?

    It was you who posted the link :o
    Gather ye rosebuds while ye may
  • CLAPTON wrote: »
    sadly it is often observed that many on the 'left' genuinely believe that anyone that doesn't agree with them and evil with no moral standards.
    infantile reasoning.

    Yeah because you're just so reasonable and accommodating of other's views.
  • CLAPTON
    CLAPTON Posts: 41,865 Forumite
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    Yeah because you're just so reasonable and accommodating of other's views.

    I give my views on many areas including e.g. my view on the harm that the EU agricutural policies have done to the developing countries of black africa.
    sadly you only comment via meaning comments about neoliberalism and hatred for older people.
    Why not try actually expressing a coherent view on how you would like to see the future in a a manner that is capable of being discussed?
  • If you two want to chat about African trade policies please start a thread about them.

    Meanwhile - back on the topic of Brexit....

    Conservative Chair of the influential House Treasury Committee, Andrew Tyrie, has said the following.....
    “If it is to secure consent for the terms of Brexit, and to restore public trust in political discourse, so damaged by the referendum campaign, the Government must be frank, both about the trade-offs involved, and the fact that many of the promises made by the Leave side are manifestly unfulfillable,”
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-theresa-may-andrew-tyrie-must-manage-unrealistic-expectations-warns-tory-mp-a7220681.html
    “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.

    Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”

    -- President John F. Kennedy”
  • lisyloo
    lisyloo Posts: 30,094 Forumite
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    So the public expected to keep all the upsides? I don't believe that.
    Most people in my social circle were aware there would be downsides and still thought it was worth leaving.
    Those who expected to keep all the benefits with none of the responsibilities were deluded surely.
  • Naf
    Naf Posts: 3,183 Forumite
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    lisyloo wrote: »
    So the public expected to keep all the upsides? I don't believe that.

    My experiences suggest that the majority of the Brexit voters believed one of two things:
    • The vote wouldn't swing that way, so although they didn't actually think leaving would be the best thing, they could use their vote to protest various (often non-specific, or factually incorrect) things they perceived as being "wrong". Some of those things weren't even always related to the EU in any way.
    • That there "might be some" problems in the short term, but we'll be fine and it'll be better in the end. Again this was "supported" by non-specific and/or factually incorrect claims; often in the form of "thats just how I feel", or personal attacks.
    lisyloo wrote: »
    Most people in my social circle were aware there would be downsides and still thought it was worth leaving.

    I found two people in my social circle advocating to leave. One was my mother, who fell into camp 2 above - citing nonsense and vague "feelings". The other was a friend of a friend who literally had nothing to say except "OMG TTIP!!!"

    lisyloo wrote: »
    Those who expected to keep all the benefits with none of the responsibilities were deluded surely.

    Very much so. But all the ones who thought there would be any significant benefits from leaving were also deluded. We were always going to end up back of the queue.
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/10/why-would-eu-appease-deluded-brexiters?CMP=share_btn_fb
    Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
    - Mark Twain
    Arguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon: no matter how good you are at chess, its just going to knock over the pieces and strut around like its victorious.
  • Filo25
    Filo25 Posts: 2,140 Forumite
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    lisyloo wrote: »
    So the public expected to keep all the upsides? I don't believe that.
    Most people in my social circle were aware there would be downsides and still thought it was worth leaving.
    Those who expected to keep all the benefits with none of the responsibilities were deluded surely.

    At this stage nobody has any clue what Brexit will look like when it is implemented.

    But you didn't have to look too far on here to find a lot of vocal pro-Brexit posters , saying that the EU needed a trade deal with us so badly that they would give us everything we wanted in negotiations.

    Personally I have serious doubts about that being achieved, only time will tell, but lets not pretend that there weren't many pro-Brexit supporters setting very aggressive targets for what would be achieved from any EU negotiation.
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