If we vote for Brexit what happens

gfplux

buglawton wrote: »

Thing is, in a different parallel universe the EU might have had a clever, fluid, responsive trade policy vs. rest of world that the UK really could value, might have tipped the Brexit balance the other way...
Oh but then it could have had a better balanced trans-EU migration policy.
Ah and those well paid Eurocrat financial policy specialists could've foreseen that a single currency would impoverish the Mediterranean countries while rewarding Germany, sending all the Southern EU unemployed to the UK along with the Eastern EU ones.

All right I give up. I'm out.

What has that got to do with us (Britain)
We are leaving the EU,
You have no need to justify why you voted leave.
Let's just get on with it.

Kohoutek

Conrad wrote: »

The key point you need to perhaps consider is that a free trading UK outside of the EU customs protection racket is very likely to be more open to African agricultural products, indeed I gave this argument several times in the past

The article you posted makes the argument that the key factor is agricultural subsidies (which make food produced in the EU cheaper), rather than the terms of trade with African countries.

Do you expect the UK to abolish agricultural subsidies after Brexit?

gfplux

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

*sigh*
No, sadly it is nonsense to say that the EU does not.
Look, even a quick web search throws up many results which very strongly suggest otherwise.


http://theconversation.com/tanzanias-refusal-to-sign-eu-trade-pact-gives-east-africa-time-to-rethink-62707


http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/06/west-africa-europe-trade-agree-2014621155835409177.html


https://www.euractiv.com/section/development-policy/news/eu-africa-free-trade-agreement-destroys-development-policy-says-merkel-advisor/

What has that got to do with us (Britain)
We are leaving the EU,
You have no need to justify why you voted leave.
Let's just get on with it.

gfplux

Why is it necessary to keep banging on about why people voted OUT.
The result was out.
So Brexiteers please stop justifying why you voted out.
And
Remainders please stop trying to justify why we/you should have won.
Surely we need to focus on where we are now. NOT where we would like to be.
So between now and sometime early in 2017 the British Government will be putting in place it's tragedy (sorry strategy) (hope you can all take a joke) for the negotiations that will take place with the EU for us to leave. This will be under a ticking clock of 24 months (730 days) that should be long enough to thrash out an agreement.

What we all should be focused on is WHAT WE WANT to be written in the agreement.

So

I want it to be Written in that

1) All EU Nationals living in the UK at Midnight on June 23rd 2016 to be allowed to stay indefinitely.
2) All British Citizens living in any of the other 27 EU Countries at Midnight on June 23rd 2016 be allowed to stay in that EU Country indefinitely.
3) Britain should have full access to the EU trade area as long as we adopt any updates to product safety specifications that the EU adopts.
4)any one like to add to the list?

Lets all think about the FUTURE not the Past

A_Medium_Size_Jock

gfplux wrote: »

What has that got to do with us (Britain)
We are leaving the EU,
You have no need to justify why you voted leave.
Let's just get on with it.

From my link:

There is a growing public backlash in the West against free trade and globalisation, which critics blame for factory closures, depressed wages and a widening gap between rich and poor. Britain's decision to leave the European Union was partly seen as a protest by some voters against globalisation.

Since I answered your somewhat pugnacious question, perhaps you would answer mine:
"We" in the UK are indeed leaving the EU.
You however are not, are you?
Since you are living in Luxembourg (and indeed are married to a Luxembourger IIRC).
Do you plan upon returning any time soon?

ETA -
Your sentiments may be admirable but the chances of that?
("Lets all think about the FUTURE not the Past")
In THIS forum?
Between nil & zero.

Moby

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

*sigh*
No, sadly it is nonsense to say that the EU does not.
Look, even a quick web search throws up many results which very strongly suggest otherwise.


http://theconversation.com/tanzanias-refusal-to-sign-eu-trade-pact-gives-east-africa-time-to-rethink-62707


http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/06/west-africa-europe-trade-agree-2014621155835409177.html


https://www.euractiv.com/section/development-policy/news/eu-africa-free-trade-agreement-destroys-development-policy-says-merkel-advisor/

Sigh:(
Google searches can produce evidence for anything you want to say. Look at China's trade policy in Africa.....look at the US in Central America.....then you're talking. Africa is the victim of Western trade policies generally! It's also nonsense to say people wanted Brexit because of unethical EU trade policies.....except on the left....perhaps. People voted Brexit because they wanted to reduce immigration!

Moby

gfplux wrote: »

Why is it necessary to keep banging on about why people voted OUT.
The result was out.
So Brexiteers please stop justifying why you voted out.
And
Remainders please stop trying to justify why we/you should have won.
Surely we need to focus on where we are now. NOT where we would like to be.
So between now and sometime early in 2017 the British Government will be putting in place it's tragedy (sorry strategy) (hope you can all take a joke) for the negotiations that will take place with the EU for us to leave. This will be under a ticking clock of 24 months (730 days) that should be long enough to thrash out an agreement.

What we all should be focused on is WHAT WE WANT to be written in the agreement.

So

I want it to be Written in that

1) All EU Nationals living in the UK at Midnight on June 23rd 2016 to be allowed to stay indefinitely.
2) All British Citizens living in any of the other 27 EU Countries at Midnight on June 23rd 2016 be allowed to stay in that EU Country indefinitely.
3) Britain should have full access to the EU trade area as long as we adopt any updates to product safety specifications that the EU adopts.
4)any one like to add to the list?

Lets all think about the FUTURE not the Past

....and then that agreement needs to be put to the people by way of referendum because at present brexit is a meaningless term and we have the right to vote on what brexit actually means in reality!

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Can someone start an 'Africa Trade' thread so the 'Leavers' don't pollute every Brexit thread with these absurd excuses for their dislike of EU immigration?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Moby wrote: »

Sigh:(
Google searches can produce evidence for anything you want to say. Look at China's trade policy in Africa.....look at the US in Central America.....then you're talking. Africa is the victim of Western trade policies generally! It's also nonsense to say people wanted Brexit because of unethical EU trade policies (that has not been said; what HAS been said is that at least voters on both sides were aware of such policies.) .....except on the left....perhaps. Some People voted Brexit because they wanted to reduce immigration!

As I said (and please take note, Hamish ) :

this entire subject is vast and deserves a thread of its own rather than distracting from a Brexit thread, maybe?

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

Sigh:(
Google searches can produce evidence for anything you want to say. Look at China's trade policy in Africa.....look at the US in Central America.....then you're talking. Africa is the victim of Western trade policies generally! It's also nonsense to say people wanted Brexit because of unethical EU trade policies.....except on the left....perhaps. People voted Brexit because they wanted to reduce immigration!

sadly it is often observed that many on the 'left' genuinely believe that anyone that doesn't agree with them and evil with no moral standards.
infantile reasoning.