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If we vote for Brexit what happens
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No Clapton. I didn't say desired outcomes wouldn't differ just that there wouldn't be a gulf in those desires other than what is imagined or peddled to highlight differences rather than similarities.
What about the fisheries policy though?
That has demonstrably destroyed large parts of the UK coastal economy, that's something we had to concede to be part of the club.
Which is where I was coming from, in that we could have chosen to have our fisheries not participate in the single market and as such we couldn't sell our fish into the EU without a tariff being applied to it, but we could run it how we liked.0 -
Any deal this century would be nice, as long as it suits the UK`s needs and priorities of course.
Frankly laughable that where once Remainiac`s were boasting about the UK being at the back of the queue and the EU were pressing ahead without us with a trade deal with the mighty US, the narrative has suddenly changed to one where the deal was obviously rubbish in the first place . Remainers are a strange bunch.
I don't know what you're talking about and I haven't followed the ins and out of the TTIP negotiations. I'm simply surmising any desired outcomes for the EU would probably have been similar to those of the EU anyway.0 -
The difference is that while no UK parliament can bind its successors, the EU could. For example, if Teresa May did a deal with the US and the next Labour chap didn't like it he could come in and tear it up.
If the EU did a deal at European level, then future governments could not take us out of it while we remained members.
Lots of us did vote for Brexit for reasons of sovereignty such as the above. The EU fundamentally challenges our constitution.
Does that mean then that lots of you would accept freedom of movement in the negotiations to come? Seems the EU no.1 antagonist Danny Hannon is in that boat It wouldn't take many of you added to the 48% who voted to stay, to create a free movement majority, Oh the ebbs and flows of democracy. No wonder some people don't want fresh referendum on the outcome of the negotiations
'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
TrickyTree83 wrote: »What about the fisheries policy though?
That has demonstrably destroyed large parts of the UK coastal economy, that's something we had to concede to be part of the club.
Which is where I was coming from, in that we could have chosen to have our fisheries not participate in the single market and as such we couldn't sell our fish into the EU without a tariff being applied to it, but we could run it how we liked.
We could have chosen this option but didn't. That's how life works - you compromise on some things because you think on-balance you'll come out ahead.
I'm sorry to break this to you but life will still work like this post-Brexit.0 -
Does that mean then that lots of you would accept freedom of movement in the negotiations to come? Seems the EU no.1 antagonist Danny Hannon is in that boat It wouldn't take many of you added to the 48% who voted to stay, to create a free movement majority, Oh the ebbs and flows of democracy. No wonder some people don't want fresh referendum on the outcome of the negotiations
Daniel Hannan?
That's my man. I'm 100% on board with his entire view of how our relationship with the EU should be. If that means single market access means unlimited immigration still - fine. Lets trade with everyone freely, be the trading nation everyone envies. Improve the lot of the people who already live here and those who want to live here.
Having a seat at the table of 27 other squabbling nation states isn't a boon to a dynamic economy. Whatever happens, if we were at the table or if we're outside it, we'll still have to comply to sell into it. So why not re-orient and take back the ability to be dynamic and continue to comply?0 -
We could have chosen this option but didn't. That's how life works - you compromise on some things because you think on-balance you'll come out ahead.
I'm sorry to break this to you but life will still work like this post-Brexit.
Well that option wasn't even available, it was a hypothetical I was throwing out there. You cannot pick and choose which parts of the single market you want to be in, which is a failing of the EU in my view, it's monolithic and the very antithesis of dynamic. The response to cheaper products abroad is to apply tariffs rather than to take the opportunity on and make it work. It encourages lazy inefficient industry.
I'd be happy to have one foot in the single market and one foot out, if that means accepting the 4 freedoms, fine. But the EU as it is right now doesn't work well, they know and acknowledge that much themselves now with all this talk of change from Tusk for example. But it was with Junker - a die hard EU monolith fan - at the wheel where we were unable to push the required reforms through when Cameron went to the EU in early 2016.0 -
I keep seeing this sort of statement but I really don't see that the UK and EU would be after deals materially that different.
The EU consists of different members that want different outcomes. Far easier to negotiate on 1 vs 1 basis. As both sides can offer compromises to overcome particular sticking points. Difficult when the Germans say yes, the French say no, the Italians say if only, etc etc.0 -
The safety of any imported product is down to UK/EU safetly standards and import controls. Even then things go wrong - Creda washing machines igniting / VW emissions / Audi theft protection holes for example.
The desirability of German vs Far Eastern cars, that's another matter. Quality is rising everywhere. Even the Japanese and Koreans now have Chinese manufacturers biting at their heels. MG is a brand that gets manufactured in China and finally assembled in the UK.
Frankly, I'm not the slightest bothered if an an economically suicidal tariff war started by a petulant EU minister means I buy a Korean or Chinese car in the future. the tariff war would be over very, very quickly once German industry leans on the politicians.
My Last two BMW's were built in the USA.There will be no Brexit dividend for Britain.0 -
Next instalment coming up from the EU:
'Ve announce today that we vill be introducing a common tax and pension system to all countries in the EU [omit 'irrespective of the status of their differing economies']. Zis is in the spirit of ever-greater political union, which ve are continuing to implement [no vote by citizens of European nations required, of course].' Cue another standard picture of lined-up smiling dummies.Have you a link to that Sapphire?Not at the moment, but I read about it in several sources a few weeks ago. Wait and see…
Have you found that link by now, Sapphire?Don't blame me, I voted Remain.0
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