If we vote for Brexit what happens

setmefree2

EU-Canada Trade Talks Falter, Boding Ill for Bigger Deals

Growing antitrade sentiment stymies ratification and signals trouble ahead for U.S. deals with EU, Asia

The U.K. is also Canada’s biggest trading partner in the EU by far. Canada trade came to 92.5 billion Canadian dollars ($71.9 billion) last year, according to Canada’s national statistics agency. The U.K. accounted for more than a quarter of that total.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/eu-canada-trade-talks-falter-auguring-ill-for-bigger-deals-1472511958

buglawton

lisyloo wrote: »

There are millions of people with BMW car and motorbikes who would dispute the products are made to anywhere near the same standard.
Chinese scooters are notorious.

The safety of any imported product is down to UK/EU safetly standards and import controls. Even then things go wrong - Creda washing machines igniting / VW emissions / Audi theft protection holes for example.

The desirability of German vs Far Eastern cars, that's another matter. Quality is rising everywhere. Even the Japanese and Koreans now have Chinese manufacturers biting at their heels. MG is a brand that gets manufactured in China and finally assembled in the UK.

Frankly, I'm not the slightest bothered if an an economically suicidal tariff war started by a petulant EU minister means I buy a Korean or Chinese car in the future. the tariff war would be over very, very quickly once German industry leans on the politicians.

Thrugelmir

lisyloo wrote: »

There are millions of people with BMW car and motorbikes who would dispute the products are made to anywhere near the same standard.
Chinese scooters are notorious.

Many BMW models haven't been built in Germany for years.

The X3, X4, X5 and X6 are actually made in South Carolina in the USA.

wotsthat

buglawton wrote: »

Frankly, I'm not the slightest bothered if an an economically suicidal tariff war started by a petulant EU minister means I buy a Korean or Chinese car in the future. the tariff war would be over very, very quickly once German industry leans on the politicians.

I am - I don't want a Chinese car thanks.

I also don't buy into the assumption that suicidal economic tariff wars can only be started by EU politicians. Politicians here are just as capable of cutting off their noses as any from the EU.

TrickyTree83

wotsthat wrote: »

I am - I don't want a Chinese car thanks.

I also don't buy into the assumption that suicidal economic tariff wars can only be started by EU politicians. Politicians here are just as capable of cutting off their noses as any from the EU.

The ideal situation for everyone would be to retain free trade in the event of brexit, that flies in the face of the 4 freedoms, and flies in the face of EU worries of brexit contagion. If any party involved is going to put caveats on free trade or worse yet tariffs on trade it would likely be the EU rather than the UK at this stage.

Thrugelmir

wotsthat wrote: »

I am - I don't want a Chinese car thanks.

Would you consider buying a Volvo or a London taxi cab?

wotsthat

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Would you consider buying a Volvo or a London taxi cab?

Not really. In the last 30 years I've only owned cars made in Europe. Currently driving a BMW and I checked it was produced 'here' before buying.

Not a big deal but, if I can, I prefer to buy European built. I avoid (a) European cars manufactured outside Europe and (b) non-European cars even if they've been produced 'here'.

StevieJ

setmefree2 wrote: »

http://www.cityam.com/248353/uk-now-front-queue-deal-us-trade-deal-eu-dubbed-failure-key

It is ironic isn't it? One of the the Brexiteers arguments for quitting the EU was because TTIP would lead to privatisation of the NHS, now they are celebrating that we are front of the queue for a similar trade deal with the US

mrginge

StevieJ wrote: »

It is ironic isn't it? One of the the Brexiteers arguments for quitting the EU was because TTIP would lead to privatisation of the NHS, now they are celebrating that we are front of the queue for a similar trade deal with the US

Erm. No I think you've got that wrong.

TTIP is a EU deal negotiated on behalf of 28 countries. Any deal we look at would be negotiated solely by the UK, specific to the areas that we want it to be on.

wotsthat

mrginge wrote: »

Erm. No I think you've got that wrong.

TTIP is a EU deal negotiated on behalf of 28 countries. Any deal we look at would be negotiated solely by the UK, specific to the areas that we want it to be on.

I keep seeing this sort of statement but I really don't see that the UK and EU would be after deals materially that different. We've managed to pool many decision making processes for over 40 years so I think this idea there's a gulf in desired outcome is imagined.

It's one of those principles where it's important only the UK negotiates on behalf of the UK but, in practice, makes little difference to the outcome.