If we vote for Brexit what happens

buglawton

Roll on the day. By November I'll have practically no cash, just cash flow.
Oddly, my OH's pension cash redemption value has leapt since Brexit by 15%. Totally counterintuitive but I suspect it's a mix of govt bonds that are in high demand and FTSE 100 companies that caused it.

buglawton

Yup and protectionism will keep coming. Back to my point #1.

CLAPTON

danothy wrote: »

I never said they did, I asked you which you prefer.



Right, right, just their place of birth, got it.

I prefer world peace, tolerance by all people for all races, religions, creeds, cultures, sexual orientation and freedom from thirst, hunger cold, adequate shelter, education for all, equal opportunites so that everyone can reach their potential, freedom of movement, freedon from fear and many more

what are you doing about all this?


however, until these come to pass one needs to consider what is practical.
sadly young idealist people have cause enormous suffering by idealistically joining the Hitler Youth, The Young Communistics of the Soviet Empire, The young red guards, the young acolyte of PolPot, the youth brigard of the Spanish Inquisition, The ISIL youth and other idealistic but murderous idealist nonsense.

What actual practical solutions are you proposing.

kinger101

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Do African countries produce enough to feed themselves yet?

As a whole, Africa did until the 1980s. Now it doesn't for multiple reasons. Population growth, increased consumption of meat, dumping of subsidized agricultural products, and perhaps most significantly, agriculture in Africa hasn't benefited from the increases in yield experienced in the rest of the world. It doesn't have the same access to improved crop varieties and fertilizers. There's little mechanization as well - most farms are under 2 ha.

There's no reason it couldn't be self-sufficient in food. And produce more cash crops as well, particularly cotton.

wotsthat

buglawton wrote: »

One thing's for sure, the minute the UK finally, actually, really leaves the EU (2021 anyone?), UK farmers will begin to receive their subsidies directly from the UK govt/taxpayer instead of via the EU roundabout.
And just like beforehand there'll be trade barriers preventing poor African countries undercutting the UK farming industry.
For... political reasons.

Of course, the whole argument is a cul-de-sac. EU tariffs will be replaced by UK tariffs and the net difference to the average African farmer will be about zero. Not that I'm entirely convinced Africa has a farming industry ready and waiting to send the UK cheap food once we click our fingers.

I'd rather hoped a benefit of Brexit would be a reduction in subsidies to farmers rather than just a change in the bureaucracy that doles them out.

mayonnaise

Some good news - as we're supposed to be positive.

Eurozone composite PMI edges up to a 7 month high.
https://www.markiteconomics.com/Survey//PressRelease.mvc/98064936f2c14a22a5d5b99eab26beb9




Quite the contrast with:
https://www.markiteconomics.com/Survey/PressRelease.mvc/b68c3686a48c40198505b81e4e55cd81

CLAPTON

wotsthat wrote: »

Of course, the whole argument is a cul-de-sac. EU tariffs will be replaced by UK tariffs and the net difference to the average African farmer will be about zero. Not that I'm entirely convinced Africa has a farming industry ready and waiting to send the UK cheap food once we click our fingers.

I'd rather hoped a benefit of Brexit would be a reduction in subsidies to farmers rather than just a change in the bureaucracy that doles them out.

you have little faith in the benefits of trade.

and yes, it would better to review the entire subsidy system for farming and abolish most : good we will now have the power to do so.

Crashy_Time

buglawton wrote: »

Roll on the day. By November I'll have practically no cash, just cash flow.
Oddly, my OH's pension cash redemption value has leapt since Brexit by 15%. Totally counterintuitive but I suspect it's a mix of govt bonds that are in high demand and FTSE 100 companies that caused it.

Roll on the day you pay interest on your bank account?

wotsthat

CLAPTON wrote: »

you have little faith in the benefits of trade.

It's more that I can't see the benefit to African farmers when the UK imposes trade barriers which look remarkably similar to those already in place.

CLAPTON wrote: »

and yes, it would better to review the entire subsidy system for farming and abolish most : good we will now have the power to do so.

You surely expect the chances of most subsidies being abolished about on a par with tariff free African trade.

Must be a principle thing where it's important to have the powers even if they're not used to effect change.

michaels

mayonnaise wrote: »

Some good news - as we're supposed to be positive.

Eurozone composite PMI edges up to a 7 month high.
https://www.markiteconomics.com/Survey//PressRelease.mvc/98064936f2c14a22a5d5b99eab26beb9




Quite the contrast with:
https://www.markiteconomics.com/Survey/PressRelease.mvc/b68c3686a48c40198505b81e4e55cd81

Yep - one is July, the other is August....