If we vote for Brexit what happens

AnotherJoe

DRP wrote: »

A bit harsh don't you think?

What if someone comes to this country legally, is working full-time, and their wages are low enough to make them eligible for housing benefit?
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In that case seems to me the taxpayers are subsidising low paying employers, and also fueling higher house prices and rents at the expense of those same taxpayers since they then unfairly have to compete for housing with those who have a taxpayer funded subsidy.

Crashy_Time wrote: »

There are always going to be people in UK society, sometimes due to no fault of their own, that need help with housing costs, BUT you shouldn`t be allowed to rock up from any part of the EZ and step onto that gravy train like some sort of free McDonalds happy meal for just coming into the shop (although this was how it was designed IMO)

Goodness I agree with CT. That's disconcerting.

CLAPTON

mwpt wrote: »

No, you are incorrect. You big fat snake oil peddler.

oh dear, but your posts speak for themselves quite eloquently

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

CLAPTON wrote: »

The fee movement of people, in any reasonable time frame, would lead to world wide conflict .

The pathway towards global free movement will take a long time.

But it's already started to happen.

At the moment we have increasing numbers of regional Unions building up - with agreements offering full or partial free movement between the participating states.

As these regional unions develop they will start to agree further deals between Unions, not just countries within a Union, including elements of free movement between regional Unions.

And over time these regional blocks will expand, helping poorer countries develop, and fewer individual countries will remain outside of Unions.

The journey to increasing global levels of prosperity, living standards, etc, towards that of Western nations is happening now. And it will be achieved through harnessing economies of scale and collective efficiencies through Unions.

We can choose to be a part of it or we can choose to become increasingly poorer, isolated and irrelevant.

CLAPTON

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

The pathway towards global free movement will take a long time.

But it's already started to happen.

At the moment we have increasing numbers of regional Unions building up - with agreements offering full or partial free movement between the participating states.

As these regional unions develop they will start to agree further deals between Unions, not just countries within a Union, including elements of free movement between regional Unions.

And over time these regional blocks will expand, helping poorer countries develop, and fewer individual countries will remain outside of Unions.

The journey to increasing global levels of prosperity, living standards, etc, towards that of Western nations is happening now. And it will be achieved through harnessing economies of scale and collective efficiencies through Unions.

We can choose to be a part of it or we can choose to become increasingly poorer, isolated and irrelevant.

you had the choice of voting for the UK to treat all peoples and countries of the world equally

but you choose not to do this, but to entrench the insular union of white christian exclusively European countries.

The predominate trends are towards trading blocks and reduction is trading barriers: few have envisaged free movement of people.

It is likely that free movement of people will arise as a consequence of a more equal prosperity across the globe. This of course may well make the UK much poorer.
It will have nothing to do with a load of hypocritical grandstanding misguided 'idealist' who love to spout impractical ideas.

Give us a list of regional unions that allow unrestricted free move of peoples.

posh*spice

Tromking wrote: »

Brexit, or the thought of it becoming 'normalised' in peoples attitudes now.
Anecdote alert- I spoke to a Dutch tourist in a local 'caff' the other day, expressed his surprise at how at ease he thought Brits were with their decision. Like most Europeans, he seemed very knowledgeable on the machinations of the EU, he considered the loss of the UK as the political failure of Merkel and Hollande.
As an aside, as the resident of a market town on the edge of Dartmoor, I have never seen so many foreign visitors, cafe`s and pubs are rammed with them.
If a Brexit vote was the UK distancing itself from Europe it would appear Europeans have other ideas. For a country of xenophobes and closet racists we seem quite popular.

I was in Cornwall for a couple of weeks and can report the same. So many German walkers!

posh*spice

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

The pathway towards global free movement will take a long time.

But it's already started to happen.

At the moment we have increasing numbers of regional Unions building up - with agreements offering full or partial free movement between the participating states.

As these regional unions develop they will start to agree further deals between Unions, not just countries within a Union, including elements of free movement between regional Unions.

And over time these regional blocks will expand, helping poorer countries develop, and fewer individual countries will remain outside of Unions.

The journey to increasing global levels of prosperity, living standards, etc, towards that of Western nations is happening now. And it will be achieved through harnessing economies of scale and collective efficiencies through Unions.

We can choose to be a part of it or we can choose to become increasingly poorer, isolated and irrelevant.

Tell that to Trump and his supporters.

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

For the big fat snake oil peddler bigot on here feigning fake concern for African economies:

7 ways Brexit will be felt across Africa.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/01/africa/brexit-africa/
Brexit will be terrible for Africa’s largest economies.
http://qz.com/715710/brexit-could-be-terrible-for-africas-largest-economies/
Brexit may severely affect African economies.
http://www.herald.co.zw/brexit-may-severely-affect-african-economies/

The existing trade arrangements with African countries are strictly second best agreements;
brexit offers the opportunity to treat them on the same level playing field.
You voted to exclude every single African country from your white christian club and to permanently treat them as second class countries.

sheff6107

Just to pull back on topic, currently there is a mish mash of signals:

• a slowdown in the increase of house prices in July, but still an 8.4% rise on 2015
• price falls in a number of affluent London areas
• new buyer inquiries, sales and new instructions have fallen
• areas of stagnation where few transactions are happening
• large increase in mortgage approvals for first time buyers
• decrease in mortgage approvals for everyone else
• lowest repossession rates on record
• interest rate drop to 0.25%
• Bank of England predicting only a temporary slight decline in house prices before they increase again

Where do you go from here? The market only works when the wheels are turning, and they've almost ground to a halt, coinciding with one of the slowest months in August.

Niv

sheff6107 wrote: »

Just to pull back on topic, currently there is a mish mash of signals:

• a slowdown in the increase of house prices in July, but still an 8.4% rise on 2015
• price falls in a number of affluent London areas
• new buyer inquiries, sales and new instructions have fallen
• areas of stagnation where few transactions are happening
• large increase in mortgage approvals for first time buyers
• decrease in mortgage approvals for everyone else
• lowest repossession rates on record
• interest rate drop to 0.25%
• Bank of England predicting only a temporary slight decline in house prices before they increase again

Where do you go from here? The market only works when the wheels are turning, and they've almost ground to a halt, coinciding with one of the slowest months in August.

Your bullet points and then closing statement do not seem to agree. Maybe it has ground to a halt in some areas but looking at your bullet points the message seems to be 'things are slower than normal but will be a temporary blip'. So, where do we go from here? Sit tight if you don't want / need to move and get on with it if you do?

please note I have just assumed all bullet points are accurate factually and not your opinion.

buglawton

I'd blame a lot of it on stamp duty, that taxes number of transactions and increases disproportionally the higher prices go.
Why should someone who wants to move 3 times in 2 decades pay a ton of tax compared to a stay-putter?

Sensible people prefer to stay put, and I for one have shelved the idea of downsizing as the family shrinks or relocating and am going for home improvements instead.
'Paying unnecessary tax is a mugs game'

Edit:
about the old chestnut that the Summer months are the quietest:

(2014 figures but other years are all very similar)