If we vote for Brexit what happens

Tromking

DollarSaver wrote: »

We are not Great anymore. What was great meaning exactly. Great at enslaving people ? Great at butchering people ? Great at exploiting resources ? Those days are over, thank god for all.

More strange Britain hating rhetoric from a Bremoaner.
It may shatter your rather bizarre world view, but I think it was a recent Pope who stated that the UK was generally a major force for good in the world. I don't see our potential withdrawal from the EU as anything other than a manifestation of the democratic will of the British people who had become weary of the rather tired EU project.
You may be trying to peddle the story that this is the last throw of the dice for a fading colonial power, but there's plenty of disappointment on mainland Europe that a rich first world country with huge soft power and a sophisticated electorate has been lost to them.

Niv

It really doesn't bother me if my house drops in value. It costs me less in mortgage and maintenance than it would to rent the house next door. My house is my home not my retirement fund.

chucknorris

Niv wrote: »

It really doesn't bother me if my house drops in value. It costs me less in mortgage and maintenance than it would to rent the house next door. My house is my home not my retirement fund.

Your signature says it all.

Niv

chucknorris wrote: »

Your signature says it all.

Ahh that needs an update - I have decided to buy a new place - it is going through as we speak.

TrickyTree83

DollarSaver wrote: »

Sovereignty, what is that ? It is large scale business, banking and weapons industry that run the show of UK PLC. You could argue that if the largely incompetent conservative government are allowed to "take back control" to coin a completely meaning less term (Chinese assisted nuclear power facility anyone ?) that things would be much worse than they are. And maybe we include Labour in that as well.

As long as laws are sensible and not all are I don't care who makes them. You could argue that the population could be more easily manipulated with a smaller group of people making the decisions than a larger amount of people. We are not Great anymore. What was great meaning exactly. Great at enslaving people ? Great at butchering people ? Great at exploiting resources ? Those days are over, thank god for all.

We are just a small country trying to survive in a very complex world which is changing fast. The future is very uncertain, even more so now.

The sooner we lose the "We're better than anyone else" attitude the better. What is that all about. It is nonsense, we are all human beings.

Having read what I have lately about the division of species, this:

The sooner we lose the "We're better than anyone else" attitude the better. What is that all about. It is nonsense, we are all human beings.

is typical of the 'r' selection strategy. Competition is good, it breeds perseverance, it breeds innovation, it breeds pride and a stronger in-group preference. The world you talk about is stagnant, worryingly leftist, disparate groups in the name of diversity and cannot be achieved since resource is finite and not as 'r' would like - infinite. Ask the Soviets how they got on.

Like school sports days. Everyone is quite obviously not equal. Why try to tell them they're all winners, that ruins children and is typical of the left. Some people are better than others at all sorts of different things. That should be a source of pride and part of valuable life lessons rather than something to be eradicated by an edict from on high.

Go and check out r/K selection theory, re-program yourself, everyone will benefit.

AnotherJoe

Well, I thought that Brexit would put a brake on prices or even a modest drop. Then this morning my local free paper arrives. There's an advert for 4 bed "town houses" (aka "terraced houses).
New build. £950k ! One left. What the !!!! And just a mile from me, 3 bed semis, also new build, £450k.

And I'm 30 miles out of London. The madness seemingly continues.

glasgowdan

AnotherJoe wrote: »

Well, I thought that Brexit would put a brake on prices or even a modest drop. Then this morning my local free paper arrives. There's an advert for 4 bed "town houses" (aka "terraced houses).
New build. £950k ! One left. What the !!!! And just a mile from me, 3 bed semis, also new build, £450k.

And I'm 30 miles out of London. The madness seemingly continues.

But HPCers don't care about reality...just what their reasoning does to favour their position.

mwpt

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

it breeds pride and a stronger in-group preference
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Go and check out r/K selection theory, re-program yourself, everyone will benefit.

Sorry but this is trivialising a very complex point and making light of some really serious issues. Competition and innovation are good but the poster you were responding to was mentioning the history of imperialism that was gone and isn't coming back in the UK. Neither is banning women's right to vote, slavery, inquisitions, burning witches, stringing up negros, persecuting or castrating !!!!!exuals, and any other number of glorious "stronger in-group preferences".

Nationalism will go away someday and that day cannot come soon enough imo.

TrickyTree83

mwpt wrote: »

Sorry but this is trivialising a very complex point and making light of some really serious issues. Competition and innovation are good but the poster you were responding to was mentioning the history of imperialism that was gone and isn't coming back in the UK. Neither is banning women's right to vote, slavery, inquisitions, burning witches, stringing up negros, persecuting or castrating !!!!!exuals, and any other number of glorious "stronger in-group preferences".

Nationalism will go away someday and that day cannot come soon enough imo.

I'm not trivialising anything.

It's to do with epigenetics, brain composition, nature and nurture and environmental consequences. In the brain it's to do with amygdala size, pre-frontal cortex composition, dopamine receptors, etc.. people on the left of politics are different to those on the right of politics at a physiological level.

Imperialism won't come back, but stronger in-group preferences will come and go as the 'r' over takes the 'K' and then swings back as resource becomes more scarce. His bleeding heart eulogies are typical of this left leaning thinking "we're all equal" such a typical 'r' species character trait. Have you read about r/K selection strategy? Or perhaps the more modern life-history selection strategy (basically an upgraded version of r/K)?

On your emphasis of stronger in-group preferences. That's not a bad thing, that's what produces the sense of community which has been lost over past decades. A mentality amongst the community that no one gets left behind. Whereas 'r' would rather plough on with their own busy, hectic lives and leave it to the state to help the destitute or needy. That stronger in-group preference is what makes people on DIY SOS volunteer their time, it's what makes people volunteer to run meals on wheels for the elderly, etc...

gadgetmind

This is worth a read.

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/the-aftermath-of-the-brexit-vote-a-verdict-from-those-of-those-experts-were-not-supposed-to-listen-to/

And this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/chuka-umunna/vote-leave-watch-uk-economy_b_11294550.html