If we vote for Brexit what happens

Kohoutek

CLAPTON wrote: »

the 'facts' about trade deals were CBI propaganda with no actual facts

can't you recognise that ?

Maybe you should read the link. It's not propaganda that, for example, that the EU-South Korea trade deal increased UK-South Korea trade by 57%. It's a fact.

You're not helping the perception of leave voters if you cannot accept facts just because they are inconvenient to you.

Kohoutek

Conrad wrote: »

Those are not facts, they epitomise stage one knee jerk 'logic' many of us grew out of years ago

Stretch that brain!

Meanwhile, in the real world:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a082b37a-54bd-11e6-9664-e0bdc13c3bef.html#axzz4Fei1T0xi

Earlier in the week, US Trade Representative Michael Froman sounded cautious about the possibility of an early trade deal with the UK. In the run-up to the UK referendum on June 23, Barack Obama warned London would be “at the back of the queue”.

“As a practical matter, it is not possible to meaningfully advance separate trade and investment negotiations with the UK until some of the basic issues around the future EU-UK relationship have been worked out,” said Mr Froman.

Mr Fox’s claim he had opened “very fruitful” trade talks with Canada was quickly followed by a clarification from Chrystia Freeland, Canada’s trade minister, who said her focus was on tying up a deal with the EU.

CLAPTON

Kohoutek wrote: »

Maybe you should read the link. It's not propaganda that, for example, that the EU-South Korea trade deal increased UK-South Korea trade by 57%. It's a fact.

You're not helping the perception of leave voters if you cannot accept facts just because they are inconvenient to you.

trade may have changed by 57%
what would it have changed by without the deal?

mayonnaise

If we vote for Brexit what happens?

Brexit causes dramatic 11-point drop in UK consumer confidence

London, July 29, 2016 – GfK’s long-running monthly Consumer Confidence Index dropped 11 points in July (since the June interviews conducted before the Referendum) from -1 to -12. The survey dates back to 1974 and July sees the sharpest month-by-month drop for more than 26 years (March 1990).

http://www.gfk.com/en-gb/insights/press-release/brexit-causes-dramatic-11-point-drop-in-uk-consumer-confidence/
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danothy

CLAPTON wrote: »

the hypocrisy is truely awesome.
so you're not prepared to ACT, but prepared to ADVOCATE : you couldn't make it up.

I have no power to grant freedom of movement other than to advocate for it, just as you have no power to remove the freedom of movement that exists other than to spew racist bile. We both do what we can

CLAPTON

danothy wrote: »

I have no power to grant freedom of movement other than to advocate for it, just as you have no power to remove the freedom of movement that exists other than to spew racist bile. We both do what we can

the left never has tolerated sensible rational discussion.

I advocate a rational sensible policy that residents should be treated differently to non residents : in fact the policy of every single country in the world and 99.999% of the people that live in the UK.

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

If we vote for Brexit what happens?

Brexit causes dramatic 11-point drop in UK consumer confidence

http://www.gfk.com/en-gb/insights/press-release/brexit-causes-dramatic-11-point-drop-in-uk-consumer-confidence/
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I see the reach of UK extends across the world

Bank of Japan blames Brexit as it renews monetary stimulus

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/29/bank-of-japan-blames-brexit-as-it-unleashes-more-monetary-stimulus


apparently they were going to mention WW3 but they have some historical sensitivities in the area.

danothy

CLAPTON wrote: »

I advocate a rational sensible policy that residents should be treated differently to non residents

Treating residents different to no residents is one thing, determining right to residency in a non-racist way is another. If there's an automatic right to residency for the native population then there should be an automatic right to residency for everyone else, if there is some usefulness criteria for non-natives to earn the right to residency then it should also be applied to the native population for them to earn the right to residency. Which would you prefer?

Conrad

Just some of the global firms deciding to invest in the UK post Brexit;

GSK £275 m
Wells Fargo Bank £300 m
She'll £4 bn
Soft Bank £24 bn

The Germans are trying to buy our Stock Exchange

What fools for ignoring the politicised economist experts...

CLAPTON

danothy wrote: »

Treating residents different to no residents is one thing, determining right to residency in a non-racist way is another. If there's an automatic right to residency for the native population then there should be an automatic right to residency for everyone else, if there is some usefulness criteria for non-natives to earn the right to residency then it should also be applied to the native population for them to earn the right to residency. Which would you prefer?

No country in the world gives automatic right of residency for everyone in the world.

I support the view that people born here should, in general, have the right to be UK citizens and have right of residency irrespective of their race, colour, religion, ethnic origin, lgbt orientation etc..