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If we vote for Brexit what happens
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posh*spice wrote: »Germany has an aging and declining population and is short of people - so it needs immigrants. Of course once refugees get an EU passport they can move anywhere, so the Germans can't know they will hang on to the refugees
UK has an ageing and declining population and is short of people - so it needs immigrants.Britain is a deseirable country also as we don't have a gun problem - free movement in Europe means we are starting to witness gun problems on the mainland as there is no gun control. Any loon seems to be able to get their hands on a gun. Bit like the US.
I agree that more controls on people entering the UK are needed, due to the uncertain world in which we live.
But how do you distinguish between a Citizen of France, Germany, India, Bulgaria,China or the US in terms of their suitability to enter the UK and their likelihood of being a terrorist or a gun user?
And if you are France, how do you distinguish a British person from a Citizen of Germany, India, Bulgaria,China or the US in terms of their suitability to enter the UK being a terrorist or a gun user?Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
UK has an ageing and declining population and is short of people - so it needs immigrants.
the UK has no shortage of labour as continuously demostrated by the lack of pressure on wages.
immigration simply keeps the wages down to a minimum.
all the statistics show that the UK population is rising and NOT falling0 -
the UK has no shortage of labour as continuously demostrated by the lack of pressure on wages.
It has a lack of the right kind of labour. I'd quite like my Doctor to be properly trained, and ditto my nurse, and it would surely be better if politicians had a solid education rather than two meagre A-levels?
Unemployment is (currently!) very low, and those without work are either on the statistics short-term as they find new work, or (TBH) basket case.imigration simply keeps the wages down to a minimum.
At the very bottom of the skill range, maybe, hence National Living Wage. But the unskilled haven't had a great time at any time in history or any place in the world, and blocking immigration will create a lack of skilled workers. We'll *never* have a lack of unskilled ones.I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0 -
gadgetmind wrote: »It has a lack of the right kind of labour. I'd quite like my Doctor to be properly trained, and ditto my nurse, and it would surely be better if politicians had a solid education rather than two meagre A-levels?
so a selective immigrant program would be appropriateUnemployment is (currently!) very low, and those without work are either on the statistics short-term as they find new work, or (TBH) basket case.
At the very bottom of the skill range, maybe, hence National Living Wage. But the unskilled haven't had a great time at any time in history or any place in the world, and blocking immigration will create a lack of skilled workers. We'll *never* have a lack of unskilled ones.
it is certainly make much more difficult for the lower skilled to get workd when there is a wall of able immigrants continuously arriving.0 -
the UK has no shortage of labour as continuously demostrated by the lack of pressure on wages.
imigration simply keeps the wages down to a minimum.
Average wages are currently rising by 2% above inflation - while unemployment has now fallen to under 5%. If there was a surplus of labour that wouldn't be happening.all the statistics show that the UK population is rising and NOT falling
Population is rising because old people are living longer.
The UK hasn't managed to breed enough people to hit the replacement rate for population stability since the 1960's.
Without immigration the UK working age population would be plummeting while the number of old people those workers need to support is soaring.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Average wages are currently rising by 2% above inflation - while unemployment has now fallen to under 5%. If there was a surplus of labour that wouldn't be happening.
Population is rising because old people are living longer.
The UK hasn't managed to breed enough people to hit the replacement rate for population stability since the 1960's.
Without immigration the UK working age population would be plummeting while the number of old people those workers need to support is soaring.
one would expect wages to rise at least as fast as GDP without any shortage of labour.
wages have been kept down for the last 10 years : the very modest rises simply show the extent of the immigration effect at keeping them low.
we need substantial wage pressure to ensure businesses start to invest in increased productivity and innovation.
we need to reduce immigration to the 10s of thousands asap to ensure we increase prodictivity rather that import people0 -
so a selective immigrant program would be appropriate
If it was 1) done right, 2) brought in tomorrow, then maybe, just maybe. And that's a big maybe. I suspect it will be a total Charlie Foxtrot, take so long to get people through the system that no-one from the EU bothered and just took a job in Germany, and cost many £k per person (non-refundable if refused, naturally.)
And the details will take at least two years to filter through, and UK business needs to react now.
BTW, people on this thread can answer or not, but how many have hired people from A) the EU,
Outside the EU, in the last five years, and what number of people? Elsewhere I'm being told how we can export outside the EU (70% of my business) from people who've never exported anything, and now I feel that perhaps people are lecturing me on global recruitment who might not have done much.
We're getting really short of unskilled work rather than of unskilled workers. What there is people (in this context UK-born people) don't seem to want to do, hence the heavy global investment in robotics.it is certainly make much more difficult for the lower skilled to get workd when there is a wall of able immigrants continuously arriving.
Rather than voting to keep immigrants (and robots) out, the unskilled should be aiming to upskill so that as immigrants (and robots) "take their jobs", they can get better ones.I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0 -
it is being done right NOW and will continue for a least a year or sogadgetmind wrote: »If it was 1) done right, 2) brought in tomorrow, then maybe, just maybe. And that's a big maybe. I suspect it will be a total Charlie Foxtrot, take so long to get people through the system that no-one from the EU bothered and just took a job in Germany, and cost many £k per person (non-refundable if refused, naturally.)
We're getting really short of unskilled work rather than of unskilled workers. What there is people (in this context UK-born people) don't seem to want to do, hence the heavy global investment in robotics.
Rather than voting to keep immigrants (and robots) out, the unskilled should be aiming to upskill so that as immigrants (and robots) "take their jobs", they can get better ones.
so what exactly is the incentive for businesses to 'upskill' when there is an wall of cheap labour coming in from immigration?
once robots take over, clearly there is no need at all for immigration0 -
Crashy_Time wrote: »
"Jitters in London as investors sell for bargain prices"
"three-bedroom apartment in the Battersea Riverlight development being marketed at a guide price of £1,890,000."
There you go then Crashy, the bargain price you've been waiting 18+ years for! LOL :rotfl:Every generation blames the one before...
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