If we vote for Brexit what happens

Crashy_Time

mrginge wrote: »

The grip on those straws gets tighter by the day.

He is right though that the journey to Brexit has barely started. Everything the IMF etc. say is just jawboning to fill up space and keep anyone un-informed enough to believe them complicit in the debt as money scam.

Crashy_Time

ukcarper wrote: »

Never said they wouldn't, you still don't seem to understand I don't know what is going to happen and I don't think you know either.

I knew Brexit was on the cards.

TrickyTree83

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

We haven't even started to Brexit yet.

It takes a particularly special kind of Panglossian naivety to assume all is well based on the last 4 weeks when we remain in the EU and in the Single Market.

I think most leave voters were generally quite accepting that there would be a short term blow.

Given events since the vote it does appear that the liklihood of disaster that the experts were predicting grows less and less. And certainly not the economic armageddon scenario you were putting forward on this thread with over 800,000 repo's and a level of unemployment of 12%.

ukcarper

Crashy_Time wrote: »

I knew Brexit was on the cards.

So did I but that doesn't make you right about house prices.

Samsonite1

Perhaps the Brexit theme tune: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHhrZgojY1Q

Kohoutek

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I think most leave voters were generally quite accepting that there would be a short term blow.

Given events since the vote it does appear that the liklihood of disaster that the experts were predicting grows less and less. And certainly not the economic armageddon scenario you were putting forward on this thread with over 800,000 repo's and a level of unemployment of 12%.

Don't you think that it's a little premature to say everything will be rosy before we've even formally decided to leave the EU, let alone actually left?

I think the experts were making predictions based on the scenario where the UK actually leaves the EU.

Grenage

Everyone knew it was on the cards, they promised the referendum three bloody years ago.

Samsonite1

I am trying to see things from different perspectives, perhaps as a form of therapy, but I am currently mulling over this:

We as a nation have been doing well as members of the EU. Is this because the EU has made us more prosperous or is it because we as a nation have made a success of it? Are we a capable nation that will do well with the cards that are dealt? There is certainly an argument that we are a prosperous nation and to say that we are useless without the EU would perhaps be an insult.

My generation have only known the EU way and we may have prospered under it so naturally would want to remain. If we were voting to join, having been prosperous outside the EU, I wonder if my generation would vote differently?

Many political pundits said that it would not be as bad as Remainers said and not as good as Leavers said. This is no doubt going to be accurate, but a little dull for all concerned.

I am glad that it seems that some negotiations can be done ahead of time - it would be terrible if the EU bully tactics prevailed to prevent us getting our ducks in a row before exiting - even though it is in their interests to make leaving look horrible. EU membership should be about the positives, not about spiteful punishments if you try to leave.

Generali

Rinoa wrote: »

Surely if break clauses made it impossible to stop the deal, it was done and dusted a while ago and would have been announced at the time.

Break clauses don't make a deal impossible to stop, just expensive. I have no idea if break clauses were in place or not.

Rinoa wrote: »

All well and good. But why then did all the 'experts' forecast it would fall heavily. Why did UBS say the ftse might fall to 4900.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/marketforceslive/2016/jun/22/ftse-100-could-lose-up-to-350bn-in-brexit-vote-says-ubs

I don't know. It's worth noting that the UK is still in the EU. It's all a bit of a leap in the dark.

Maybe things will go on to be amazing from here, maybe not. Nobody knows and it seems to me to be an odd decision to make to leave the EU when you have no idea of what you are going to move on to.

If you look at the people that voted remain, they are generally higher earning skilled and professional workers. Those that voted leave are more likely to get all or most of their income from welfare payments (including the state pension) or be an unskilled worker:

http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/

Social groups D&E voted 2:1 to leave, social group A voted 3:2 to remain.

baza52

Generali wrote: »

Social groups D&E voted 2:1 to leave, social group A voted 3:2 to remain.

so 43% of group AB (broadly speaking, professionals and managers) are stupid, idiotic racists.