If we vote for Brexit what happens

mwpt

Ha ha, thedailymash writers read this forum!

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/uk-exhausted-from-arguing-with-brexit-fkwits-20160713110699

MILLIONS of Britons are physically exhausted after spending several weeks arguing with people who do not understand anything.

Many ‘remain’ voters feel they need a holiday or a long sleep after the tiring experience of trying to reason with people who completely reject logic or evidence.

Martin Bishop said: “Whenever I spoke to my uncle Trevor about Brexit he’d just make some fatuous comment like, ‘I suppose you wish the Germans had won the war, then!’

“It was incredibly knackering because he’d just respond to everything with random !!!!!!!!, like when he said the economy would be fine because we’d ‘just think of new products to sell’.”

Emma Bradford said: “I’m worn out from talking to Brexiters because a lot of them think listing everything that !!!!es them off is the same as a rational debate.

“Also they just ignore anything they don’t like. When I explained to my mum that the EU doesn’t make our laws her reasoned response was to go and water the geraniums.”

However Brexit supporter Norman Steele said: “I’ve had lots of well-informed, reasonable debates with Project Fear’s brainwashed sheeple who hate their country.”

Conrad

Samsonite1 wrote: »

Well of course - the point I am making is that the lull may last a while and many people (ok Remainers) will find that hard to accept until it changes. My first hope is that actually having a PM and the government starting to do something at all will help in some way!

Personally I think that the negatives will outweigh the positives for a while (like now to start with), but things will start to balance. I do not see prosperity being much better (if at all) but somewhere in the same region. That is fine although it will make the lull seem unnecessary.

Having said that, the EU as an organisation has acted pretty poorly since 24th June. Having a meeting without the UK contravened their own laws and that was just off the back of a non-binding, public referendum. Also the opinions of many of the EU parliament make you wonder how much power some fairly opinionated people have over many people.

As a Remainer, I still think that the benefits of the EU are worth having, but in the light of not being a member in the future, if we can retain the main benefits and improve on the bad parts of the EU then it could be a good direction to go in after the limbo period.

I still feel that the positives need to be pursued aggressively to counter-balance the negatives. The sooner the ship is righted, the sooner the general public can feel happier.

It does not help that jobs are being lost and funding being pulled as a discrimination against the UK for the public vote. It is difficult to counter these moves as we are unlikely to get anywhere until we have exited and negotiated? We simply have to secure negotiations before we exit otherwise it will be a low and long lull.

I think you are quite rightly voicing genuine anxiety that comes with such a change, fair play to you.

I'd like to try and offer some comfort by mentioning the fact 70% of our total exports of services and goods are to the world beyond the EU

One of the key benefits us Brexiteers have had our eyes on is to create rapid (yes rapid, many example of rapid deals) bi - lateral deals with the ROW on the back of our number one global soft power status and deep historic links. In just two weeks 23 nations have stated they want trade talks, what a start

In addition to this, consider the Canada EU deal, almost all tarif free, and then note we are a far bigger market for the EU and unlike Canada, already alighned.

This is an incredibly exciting time, I personally do not envisage a recession, but even if we have one, well worth the price. Remember a recession is only a patch of negative growth, but hey ho, we can't grow every day can we?

As I say I do not think there will be a recession, get investing in the UK Tiger

Conrad

mwpt wrote: »

Ha ha, thedailymash writers read this forum!

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/uk-exhausted-from-arguing-with-brexit-fkwits-20160713110699

Ah the old over confident Bremain , supremely confident only they have the facts

Really is flat earth mentality

Most remainders I ask have no idea what the actual fiscal benefit the SM tarif reduction confers and that in the grand scheme it's not very important at all

In time they will be released from thier cult trance brotha

iantojones40

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-houseprices-rics-idUKKCN0ZT2V9

Kohoutek

Conrad wrote: »

I'd like to try and offer some comfort by mentioning the fact 70% of our total exports of services and goods are to the world beyond the EU

It's actually 56%.

wotsthat

Conrad wrote: »

Psst, for ages you've said Brexit has no plan as you have not see one...., such as none from D Davis

Just pointing out its maybe not so smart for key players to reveal thier full hand just yet

Until yesterday we didn't know who the key players were let alone what hand they were or weren't hiding.

There's no plan secret or otherwise.

Conrad

The denial amongst the gloom brigade has gone hyperbolic accross tinternet as the latest meme is to say the three muskateers will be put in thier place and sent back empty handed from the EU

What will be the excuse of the gloom brigade when we do indeed get a workable decent EU trade deal (not that we particularly need one anyway)?

Conrad

Kohoutek wrote: »

It's actually 56%.

According to the Business For Britain site its 70% with services included, or it may be this 70% reflects the fact services are not included in the SM, I can't recall and dare not go check as I'm on a phone, not sat at a computer

Regardless the SM has downsides and arguably over inflates consumer costs for marginal benefit.

Conrad

wotsthat wrote: »

Until yesterday we didn't know who the key players were let alone what hand they were or weren't hiding.

There's no plan secret or otherwise.

So what?

As with any battle or revolution. Events reveal themselves, plans are debated and thrashed out until we're ready for d day

We will fare far better in control of our own ship with a global face and doing our deals to suit us

I have no need whatsoever of old clueless men in Brussels

wotsthat

mrginge wrote: »

So you must now be very pleased that work on the plan has started. And it only took three weeks! That's pretty good going don't you think.

Thanks for acknowledging there isn't a plan and not even the fundamentals of a plan are in place. That must have been hard for you.

Yes, I've been impressed with the speed of the Tory machine. Very efficient.

mrginge wrote: »

So what you're saying is that you would appoint an international trade minister (maybe someone like Liam fox?) to look at setting up these deals while delaying article 50?

No I didn't say that. I'm suggesting the priority should be exiting the EU as soon as is reasonably possible. The blowhards at the EU are going on about free movement being a red line. No problem, if it secures a quick deal which secures EU trade in the medium term we should take it.

Article 50 is a red herring.

mrginge wrote: »

Sounds to me like you're actually delighted by today's events.

Your spider sense might be on the blink.

I'm a long way from being delighted. I'm actually very concerned about the attitude that 'our EU trade is only [insert wrong number here] % of the total and it'll be a doddle to make it up'.

The only thing I'm delighted about is you and Barry won't be part of the negotiating team.