If we vote for Brexit what happens

baza52

wotsthat wrote: »

Hang on.

What are the fundamentals of the plan you were talking about?

I think your in the chair now.
Its time for YOU to say what YOU think rather than put down every other idea.

Lets hear it.

baza52

wotsthat wrote: »

I'm not a landlord. Crashy dangled you a bit of confirmation bias and you bit like a good 'un. You're a gullible fool Barry.

yes I'm a fool.
Lets hear your response to mrginge to prove that you are not an even bigger fool :rotfl:

mrginge

wotsthat wrote: »

Hang on.

What are the fundamentals of the plan you were talking about?

Look, you want to slag off every move that gets made. I'm quite happy that DD is in charge of this because every time I've heard or read his comments I tend to agree with him.

So let's hear what you want to happen. No more negativity, no more avoiding the question, what's your way forward?

Conrad

The key underlying principle for Brexit is we feel the EU is defunct, something from a bygone age, and we can thrive better outside.

Bremains always try and claim Brexit is nullified as we don't have an exact plan for exit and global re-engagement, but this is such a daft technocratic outlook.

As I said to Hamish way back when, it's about confidence and yes, courage. We know we can deal with whatever the challenges are to deliver on the principle.

Those that only see problems and daft technocratic hurdles are I'm afraid just plain old vanilla pessimists

We will thrive, end of, the Human journey only progresses by way of change, not by sitting about worrying about the challenges.

There will be challenges of course, and we will meet them head on, we're not daft surrender monkeys that quiver and quake at the first sign of trouble

wotsthat

baza52 wrote: »

yes I'm a fool.
Lets hear your response to mrginge to prove that you are not an even bigger fool :rotfl:

errr..

He said there were the fundamentals of a plan in place but when I asked what they were he asked a load of diversionary questions.

I'm pretty clear what I want. We must now leave the EU but I hope, apart from membership itself, we negotiate a deal which is as close to membership as possible.

Samsonite1

Conrad wrote: »

The key underlying principle for Brexit is we feel the EU is defunct, something from a bygone age, and we can thrive better outside.

Bremains always try and claim Brexit is nullified as we don't have an exact plan for exit and global re-engagement, but this is such a daft technocratic outlook.

As I said to Hamish way back when, it's about confidence and yes, courage. We know we can deal with whatever the challenges are to deliver on the principle.

Those that only see problems and daft technocratic hurdles are I'm afraid just plain old vanilla pessimists

We will thrive, end of

I think when you simply think of EU membership as the thing that is being removed, it should not be a major issue in the long run. The pain and uncertainty from now until things get sorted is quite a bitter pill to swallow, so I expect it will take that long before anyone accepts it fully!

wotsthat

mrginge wrote: »

Look, you want to slag off every move that gets made. I'm quite happy that DD is in charge of this because every time I've heard or read his comments I tend to agree with him.

So let's hear what you want to happen. No more negativity, no more avoiding the question, what's your way forward?

Boris style backtracking there.

Even the fundamentals of a plan aren't in place are they?

You like what DD has to say - that's nice but don't confuse it with a plan.

mwpt

mrginge wrote: »

Look, you want to slag off every move that gets made. I'm quite happy that DD is in charge of this because every time I've heard or read his comments I tend to agree with him.

So let's hear what you want to happen. No more negativity, no more avoiding the question, what's your way forward?

May I answer? My personal choice for the way forward would be to agree to free trade and free movement with the EU but without having a seat at the table and in theory not being subject to implement EU directives.

baza52

wotsthat wrote: »

errr..

He said there were the fundamentals of a plan in place but when I asked what they were he asked a load of diversionary questions.

I'm pretty clear what I want. We must now leave the EU but I hope, apart from membership itself, we negotiate a deal which is as close to membership as possible.

NO, not what you want but what you think should happen.

let me remind you of the question.
"Ok, let's try and engage you in this process.
What do you think is a sensible way for the country to move forward?
Who would you like to see negotiating our exit?
What key stage gates would you like to see and when? "

Conrad

Samsonite1 wrote: »

I think when you simply think of EU membership as the thing that is being removed, it should not be a major issue in the long run. The pain and uncertainty from now until things get sorted is quite a bitter pill to swallow, so I expect it will take that long before anyone accepts it fully!

What pain? 70% of our total exports of services and goods are traded on WTO terms with an average 3% tarif, do we hear cries of how awful this is?

We dont have SM access for services and trust me if we remained in the EU that would be years away.

We have all sorts of aces and leverage to get a decent EU trade deal, there is zilch to be worried about, people are hysterical over next to nothing