If we vote for Brexit what happens

CLAPTON

wotsthat wrote: »

I have a view about immigration policy.
By definition it will discriminatory.
You will point this out.
Therefore Barry's not a racist.

I was discussing immigration policy and not Barry
what would your immigration policy be?

CLAPTON

cells wrote: »

my initial thoughts thinking about it for a minute or two (so dont take this as a manifesto commitment or a view after years of debate and thinking)

Personally I would welcome anyone who wants to come to the uk with an annual limit of 1% net population growth. If applicants exceed that number I would restrict by points and the points would be heavily biased to age primarily and then English language and then cultural similarities.

If adopted i would guess it would not change the EU migration much but I suspect it would greatly reduce the current non EU migration to be mostly replaced by American/Aus/SA and other native English speaking nation migration.

One of the rare posters that is prepared to give an answer to the immigration question.
At the present time it will lead to a white, western european immigration profile. In the jargon of the day it would be indirectly racists as the people likely to qualify would have to fit the profile.

ukcarper

peter_we wrote: »

The EU only jobs will move very quickly. There will be a stampede one the first company move out of the UK because the first to move gets access to the limited supply of people, locations, power and data feeds.

Anyway, do you think anyone in finance is going to buy with the Sword of Damocles hanging over them? If there is even a hint that a move abroad is required, selling up would be the best option.

I noticed in my area, Battersea (1/2 mile around me, anyway) there are loads of reductions and new instruction but no sales since Brexit vote.

You can't just up sticks and move and the negotiations haven't started yet. Things have slowed down where I am in Surrey but it's still to early to know where prices will go. I wouldn't be surprised if they fall back which wouldn't be a bad thing but in the short term buyers might be reluctant to commit but sellers will be the same unless they are desperate.

chucknorris

CLAPTON wrote: »

do you believe that people of all races, creeds, nationalities, sexual orientation etc should have eqaul access to migrate to the UK?

Perhaps I am misunderstanding your question, but surely the answer has to be yes, doesn't it? Subject of course to other criteria (education/professional qualifications, agreed employment and actual demand for particular professions/trades etc.).

Regarding the 'other criteria', I am of course assuming that we leave the single market with no concession on the free movement of people, so another system needs to be in place.

CLAPTON

chucknorris wrote: »

Perhaps I am misunderstanding your question, but surely the answer has to be yes, doesn't it? Subject of course to other criteria (education/professional qualifications, agreed employment and actual demand for particular professions/trades etc.).

Regarding the 'other criteria' I am of course assuming that we leave the single market with no concession on the free movement of people, so another system needs to be in place.

I am interested in what people actually think once they stop condemning others as racists and actually say what they would want done.
At the moment, it seems many support the current racist policy of allowing anyone from the EU27 (predominately white, christian ) and restricting others (to a greater or lesser degree).

clearly one based on education / need etc will be at best indirectly racist as certain ethic/racial groups will be more likely to qualify than others

chucknorris

CLAPTON wrote: »

I am interested in what people actually think once they stop condemning others as racists and actually say what they would want done.
At the moment, it seems many support the current racist policy of allowing anyone from the EU27 (predominately white, christian ) and restricting others (to a greater or lesser degree).

clearly one based on education / need etc will be at best indirectly racist as certain ethic/racial groups will be more likely to qualify than others

I don't think that it is fair or appropriate to label a system that is based upon the suitability to do a job, and demand for that job, as being (indirectly) racist, simply because other nations do not educate their population to the same standards as the UK.

CLAPTON

chucknorris wrote: »

I don't think that it is fair or appropriate to label a system that is based upon the suitability to do a job, and demand for that job, as being (indirectly) racist, simply because other nations do not educate their population to the same standards as the UK.

under UK law, such a system would probbaly be deemed indirectly racist
you may recall the case of a hair dresser who wore a head scarf.

Spidernick

As usual, Private Eye sums things up very well indeed :

chucknorris

CLAPTON wrote: »

under UK law, such a system would probbaly be deemed indirectly racist
you may recall the case of a hair dresser who wore a head scarf.

I don't know of that case, so I have no idea what point you are trying to make.

CLAPTON

chucknorris wrote: »

I don't know of that case, so I have no idea what point you are trying to make.

I'm not advocating the system but the principle of indirect racist / discrimination depends upons having systems that don't 'accidently' discriminate.

The case in point was that of a hair dressing shop that advertised a vacancy for the trainee hairdresser.
The applicant was a muslin who wore a head scarf.
She was rejected because the owner considered that the staff should show their hair as a sort of self advertising.
The case went to court and the owner was found guilty of indirect discrimination as muslims were more likely to be rejected on those grounds than non-muslins.

So I speculate that if we insist on sensible things like ability to speak english and have essential skills, then its likely that fewer people of some ethnic origins would qualify than others.

These are not my own views I have to say.