If we vote for Brexit what happens

gfplux

kinger101 wrote: »

I can't see the rules being change mid-way through anyone's degree in a way which wouldn't allow them to complete their studies. In my experience, there aren't that many EU students around anymore, as their home country (or another EU country) is likely to be much cheaper. The exceptions might by Oxbridge.

I think you don't get "uncertainty"
Children leaving home to study in a foreign country is very stressful for parents as well as the students. The added worry is not needed. It is very easy to say it hasn't happened before but we are now living the "it hasn't happened before"

And as for numbers. From tiny Luxembourg there are roughly 1200 studying at the moment in Britain. Numbers have doubled since 2011.

You may not notice 1200 Luxembourgers but there are probably between 300000 and 400000 EU students in Britain, some probably living near you!

Conrad

Whilst I'd like to see an EU trade deal and think we will almost certainly get an acceptable outcome, it is worth baring in mind that the three largest exporters into the EU have no trade deal at all.

I see VW picked up an $11 bn fine yesterday. Even more reason those Germans need trade with the U.K. not to be hampered. We're Germany's third biggest export market.

Conrad

gfplux wrote: »

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I think you don't get "uncertainty"
Children leaving home to study in a foreign country is very stressful for parents as well as the students. The added worry is not needed

I shudder to think how folk would have coped with the blitz...

gfplux

SingleSue wrote: »

Certainly not the experience of both of my sons who are at university, they are studying and living with many EU students, for example, in the first year, my eldest son was sharing a flat with 3 from Italy and one from France last year sharing with students from Italy, Poland and Hungary and this year, Hungary, Germany, Italy and Poland (all different people rather than the same people being repeated)

Edit - They both love it too! They see it as a positive thing rather than negative before anyone thinks I or they were complaining about it.

Glad to hear that SingleSue.
It is good to get real first hand information. Too many people throw out remarks of the top of their head and consider them facts.
You probably understand the stress and anxiety you experienced of your children leaving home. Imagine that stress if they were going to study in a foreign country.
That was the point I was trying to make in my post.
It is all those small things that are happening now which we will only see the results of months or years down the road.

Conrad

Watch out for the Commonwealth trade deal, that contains nations right in China's strategic back yard

This is like the days of Empire, all scheming and deal making, really effing exciting

gfplux

Generali wrote: »

There isn't one which is when King 'Idiot' Bozza has been hiding behind the sofa since last Thursday. No plan, no clue. Vote Leave, vote policy vacuum.

This is precisely what the Remain campaign said would happen.

Putting on my analyst hat I reckon the next steps are:

- Downgrades by the rest of the ratings agencies
- Cut in UK interest rates
- Sterling falls
- Foreign direct investment falls to zero
- Increase in UK interest rates to try to get some investment
- Recession

I'm an economist not a political analyst but I reckon that if anything the !!!! storm that is about to hit the UK is going to push more people into the idiot zone. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest to see the unspeakable Corbyn as the next PM of the UK. Then the wheels really will come off.

Generali,
My thoughts are away from the headlines. They are well published. I am VERY interested in the small everyday decisions that are being made. Day by day, hour by hour that are damaging Britain.
Have you any thoughts or examples of what I am talking about.
Thanks

Conrad

gfplux wrote: »

Glad to hear that SingleSue.
It is good to get real first hand information. Too many people throw out remarks of the top of their head and consider them facts.
You probably understand the stress and anxiety you experienced of your children leaving home. Imagine that stress if they were going to study in a foreign country.
That was the point I was trying to make in my post.
It is all those small things that are happening now which we will only see the results of months or years down the road.

I used to date a Kiwi. I got to know her Kiwi and Aussie mates that were all travelling Europe, studying here, working the bars. They were on things like the Kontiki scheme

In my world you take a can do approach and remain positive, we do not need old Men in Brussels to make life happen

Loads of my mates toured Asia and worked there, no need for the Brussels numpties

Rinoa

setmefree2 wrote: »

http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2016/06/28/brexit-fix-add-uk-to-nafta.html

Anything's possible. Right?

He he.

So we may have a chance of free trade with NAFTA, (bigger than what the EU will be without the UK) not pay an £8Bn annual membership fee, not be compelled to have free movement, not have to abide by ridiculous EU legislation and have all our fishing rights back.

Or we can plead to have trade with the EU on their terms.

Hmmm. It's a tough choice.

Conrad

gfplux wrote: »

Generali,
My thoughts are away from the headlines. They are well published. I am VERY interested in the small everyday decisions that are being made. Day by day, hour by hour that are damaging Britain.
Have you any thoughts or examples of what I am talking about.
Thanks

General is a super clever chap, but do not confuse such wisdom with crystal ball gazing. Please read the book Futurebabble. It shows how almost all of the big ticket predictions ended up wrong and how we're addicted to the talking heads giving us more predictio s despite the woeful record

Do you not trust us British to overcome and prosper? Why on earth is this?

Generali is totally wrong about investment, it will soon take off. We are the new nimble dynamic kid on the block. investment has been leaching out of the lumbering EU for years, and the future there is not looking good

The US looks very risk. The U.K. is a safe haven, and will be even safer now

gfplux

setmefree2 wrote: »

Or we don't buy European cars - we buy British, American, Japanese or Korean cars instead and the EU gets zilch.

My German branded car was made in the USA