If we vote for Brexit what happens

CLAPTON

Generali wrote: »

Let's be completely clear: the Human Rights Act and Britons' access to the ECHR has nothing at all to do with membership of the EU, the two things are completely separate.

The UK could remove access to the ECHR tomorrow if it so chose (assuming the House of Lords and Queen was pretty nimble) without any reference to the EU or the EC.

well not exactly

The European Union (EU) is not a member of the Council of Europe[1] and, accordingly, it is not bound by the rulings of the European Court of Human Rights.

The European Court of Justice (ECJ) gives the European Convention on Human Rights "special significance" as a "guiding principle" in its case law.[2] The European Court of Justice uses a set of general principles of law to guide its decision-making process. One such principle is respect for fundamental rights, seen in Article 6(2) of the Treaty Establishing the European Union (Maastricht Treaty): "The Union shall respect fundamental rights, as guaranteed by the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms signed in Rome on 4 November 1950 and as they result from the constitutional traditions common to the Member States, as general principles of Community law."[3] Within this framework, the European Court of Justice uses all treaties that the Member States of the European Union have signed or participated in as interpretive tools for the content and scope of "fundamental rights", while holding the European Convention on Human Rights as a document with "special significance."[4]

BobQ

Rinoa wrote: »

MigrantWatch comments on the above:
http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/329

Thank you. There does seem to be a difference of opinion on this as you say. Have the authors responded to the critique do you know?

CLAPTON

BobQ wrote: »

Yes but that is true of the population as a whole, except that many unskilled British do not want to do the lower skilled jobs. So there are more waiters than doctors. What is your point?

most people want to do the best paid job they can get whether they be UK or foreign born.
It may be that the benefits system stops low paid jobs being attractive but with the new 'living wage' that should be less of a problem
other that that, I doubt there is much difference between the different nationalities.
It probably is true however, that a large supply of cheap labour discourages employers from investing in higher skills with higher productivity.

BobQ

gfplux wrote: »

Why the phrase "not enshrined explicitly in EU law"
It is not or it is.
And....it is not.
If the UK wishes to act humanly let's not blame the EU or even suggest the EU has something to do with it.

There are already too many things blamed on the EU without hinting at other things.

I chose the words carefully. There is no EU law that requires "translation services". But EU does include phrases that implicitly suggest it via rights of equal access to services, not to be discriminated against, the right to privacy etc.

It would be perfectly reasonable to say that anyone living in the UK must be able to speak English. But you could argue that if your English is poor not being able to communicate with a GP or having to discuss sensitive medical matters using "a friend" might infringe the right to privacy.

I am not arguing this but other countries do provide such facilities (US for example). I do not suggest this was the intention of the EU or the UN in framing human rights, but the fact that these services are provided is probably attributable to human rights.

BobQ

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I completely disagree with that.

I know that's not the case because my wife used to be one of these translators. And they were sending here all over the midlands translating in person at hospitals and GP's offices.

Telephone translations aren't adequate enough.

She was thinking of going into justice but you need to have an in-depth knowledge of legal terminology in English and be able to convey the meaning accurately with no mistakes or mis-understandings in translation, more so than health, which is odd.

How recently did she do this?
The need to reduce costs in the public sector is perhaps forcing more telephone transalation.

Some telephone services are provided:

http://www.pat.nhs.uk/patients-and-visitors/translation-interpretation.htm

https://www.royalfree.nhs.uk/patients-visitors/advice-and-support/interpreting-and-translation-services/

dosh

[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]It looks like voters are swinging behind Brexit[/FONT]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
Citywire[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Should the UK exit the EU?[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Yes[/FONT][FONT=&quot] - 60%[/FONT][FONT=&quot](23073 votes)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]No[/FONT][FONT=&quot] - 40%[/FONT][FONT=&quot](15441 votes)[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Total Votes: 38,514[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]http://citywire.co.uk/money/investment-trust-watch-europe-sell-off-reignites/a914449?ref=citywire-money-opinion-list[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Leading Britain’s Conversation[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]THE EU: IN or OUT?[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]70.4% Out[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]29.6% In[/FONT]

http://www.lbc.co.uk/#poll-result-329

[FONT=&quot]This is Money[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Would Britain be better off in or out of the EU?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]In [/FONT][FONT=&quot]- 21% (12,376 votes)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Out [/FONT][FONT=&quot]- 79% (47,166 votes)[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Total Votes: 59,542[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/index.html[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Poll Station UK[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]"Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?"[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Remain[/FONT][FONT=&quot] - 14%[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Leave [/FONT][FONT=&quot]- 83%[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Undecided [/FONT][FONT=&quot]- 3%[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Total Votes: 78,120[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]http://www.pollstation.uk/eu-referendum/poll/[/FONT]

BobQ

dosh wrote: »

It looks like voters are swinging behind

These are self selecting polls of no scientific value whatsoever.

TrickyTree83

BobQ wrote: »

How recently did she do this?
The need to reduce costs in the public sector is perhaps forcing more telephone transalation.

Some telephone services are provided:

http://www.pat.nhs.uk/patients-and-visitors/translation-interpretation.htm

https://www.royalfree.nhs.uk/patients-visitors/advice-and-support/interpreting-and-translation-services/

It was about 2 - 3 years ago she was doing this, the strain of the travel became too much although the money was good she was starting at 6am, doing multiple appointments per day and coming home late with a couple of hours "break" between appointments which really she just used as travel time being paid mileage but not as working hours, probably similar to how social care service workers are paid sadly. She jacked it in to be part of the Next PLC Russian speaking customer service team and hasn't looked back.

Generali

Interesting piece on the attitudes in Europe to a Brexit:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/05/31/tusk-blames-utopian-eu-elites-for-eurosceptic-revolt-and-brexit/

TL;DR version? There is a desire to punish the UK if she votes Brexit but not enough to stop Brits buying Beemers.

TrickyTree83

Generali wrote: »

Interesting piece on the attitudes in Europe to a Brexit:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/05/31/tusk-blames-utopian-eu-elites-for-eurosceptic-revolt-and-brexit/

TL;DR version? There is a desire to punish the UK if she votes Brexit but not enough to stop Brits buying Beemers.

Germany wants to rap us across the knuckles if we leave!

The bloody cheek. If we leave it will be because of the will of the British people, the media would jump on this "rap" and cause sentiment between the two nations to sour. That is a dangerous game.

Who would want to stay in a political system that punishes you for expressing your democratic will? Can't imagine German (or any other EU) business will be keen on this particular idea.

Edit: Can't imagine the British public would be keen on remaining part of a group that acts in this manner. Hopefully this gets some more coverage.