If we vote for Brexit what happens

TrickyTree83

enthusiasticsaver wrote: »

From my limited experience working in a mathematics department in a Higher Education facility about half our lecturers and researchers are from the EU or elsewhere. These are highly paid jobs incurring higher rate tax and due to the lack of mathematics graduates in the UK these would be difficult to fill were we not open to immigrants. They are highly educated people so not all immigrants are in low paid jobs. I think you will find HE and the NHS are not the only area immigration is important.

There is a vastly smaller proportion of higher wage earning EU migrants than those who work on farms, bars, in hotels, in fast food, etc... where in all likelihood they will be on minimum wage.

I had the figures for A&E and GP costs per patient visit from gov.uk and gponline.com. There will probably be a degree of error but the sums show enough of a disparity between tax take and possible welfare cost to indicate that there could well be some truth to the "strain on the system" arguments.

michaels

enthusiasticsaver wrote: »

From my limited experience working in a mathematics department in a Higher Education facility about half our lecturers and researchers are from the EU or elsewhere. These are highly paid jobs incurring higher rate tax and due to the lack of mathematics graduates in the UK these would be difficult to fill were we not open to immigrants. They are highly educated people so not all immigrants are in low paid jobs. I think you will find HE and the NHS are not the only area immigration is important.

If they are from 'elsewhere' then no doubt they are here via a visa programme which of course would be open to EU citizens as well if they didn't have automatic right of abode.

And given that we would then be able to control overall numbers we could make the visa system for university lecturers more flexible and larger if we so wished.

This would have the positive side effect of making it non-racist, the current system hugely favouring Europeans who are predominantly white Christians at the expense of the rest of the world which is more diverse.

CLAPTON

enthusiasticsaver wrote: »

From my limited experience working in a mathematics department in a Higher Education facility about half our lecturers and researchers are from the EU or elsewhere. These are highly paid jobs incurring higher rate tax and due to the lack of mathematics graduates in the UK these would be difficult to fill were we not open to immigrants. They are highly educated people so not all immigrants are in low paid jobs. I think you will find HE and the NHS are not the only area immigration is important.

how many maths graduates do we produce each year?
how many highly paid uni jobs become available each year?

gfplux

The original question of this thread is
"If we vote for Brexit what happens?"

If we look at all the things blamed on the EU by the leave campaign, if we Brexit these things over time will get better.

MANY More Houses will be built
RENTS will come down
HOUSE prices will come down
LONDON will be less crowded
ECONOMIC immigrants will stop coming
HIGHLY skilled immigrants will be let in
EU immigrants will return home
BRITAINS living in other EU country's will come home

Can anyone help with other things to put on the list.
I think it's important to see ALL the things that will change once we Brexit.

mayonnaise

zagubov wrote: »

The numbers do seem odd.

Do we still have about approximately 2000 patients per GP?

This site seems to suggest there are 5.5 consultations per patient on average (which implies to me that there are some people who are getting a lot more).

I took the 2000 (approx.) patients per GP from here: http://www.nhs.uk/Scorecard/Pages/IndicatorFacts.aspx?MetricId=100063

The average number of FTE GPs per 1,000 patients per practice in England is 0.58.

mayonnaise

gfplux wrote: »

The original question of this thread is
"If we vote for Brexit what happens?"

If we look at all the things blamed on the EU by the leave campaign, if we Brexit these things over time will get better.

MANY More Houses will be built
RENTS will come down
HOUSE prices will come down
LONDON will be less crowded
ECONOMIC immigrants will stop coming
HIGHLY skilled immigrants will be let in
EU immigrants will return home
BRITAINS living in other EU country's will come home

Can anyone help with other things to put on the list.
I think it's important to see ALL the things that will change once we Brexit.

The latest nugget from the brexiteers : lower fuel bills for all. :rotfl:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/we-can-scrap-vat-on-energy-bills-if-we-leave-eu-say-johnson-and-gove-a7057146.html

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

The latest nugget from the brexiteers : lower fuel bills for all. :rotfl:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/we-can-scrap-vat-on-energy-bills-if-we-leave-eu-say-johnson-and-gove-a7057146.html

why is the Governement's inability to vary VAT as they think fit, a benefit to the people of the UK?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

CLAPTON wrote: »

why is the Governement's inability to vary VAT as they think fit, a benefit to the people of the UK?

There's a big difference between "could" and "would"... it's frankly laughable to suggest taxes would come down in case of Brexit.

Taxes would have to increase to cover the loss of tax revenue from our DIY Recession for one thing.

TrickyTree83

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

There's a big difference between "could" and "would"... it's frankly laughable to suggest taxes would come down in case of Brexit.

Taxes would have to increase to cover the loss of tax revenue from our DIY Recession for one thing.

The majority of forecasts have just said we'll be "less rich" than we would be if we stayed in the EU, not poorer than we are now.

Plus, all these forecasts are from bodies or economists who have somehow managed to call almost every major issue incorrectly from 1980 onward. Why would they suddenly get it right? Yes there's the odd one or two who called some of these correctly, Patrick Minford comes to mind and is now in support of leaving the EU.

CLAPTON

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

There's a big difference between "could" and "would"... it's frankly laughable to suggest taxes would come down in case of Brexit.

Taxes would have to increase to cover the loss of tax revenue from our DIY Recession for one thing.

there is indeed; it's got a name : democracy.

after WW3, I'm sure all Keynians would call for more government spending and lower taxes.