If we vote for Brexit what happens

carrot_cake

BobQ wrote: »

So how many patients in the practice and how many immigrants come in each day?

I think there are around 8,000 patients (I cannot be sure, I am a receptionist). Some days, we can have in excess of 10 people requesting to register with the practice who have just arrived in the country (a mix of single people/couples or families with children).


I do not want to get into the politics of the in/out debate as I will readily admit that I do not know enough to argue the point either way. I will say, however, that as a mother of a severely disabled, young, non-verbal child who had to wait nearly 2 years for any form of speech therapy because of funding, it does infuriate me to see how much is spent on interpreters for Drs appointments.


I know I will probably be shouted down for this post but it is my personal opinion.

CLAPTON

BobQ wrote: »

Good points. I agree we should be trying to increase exports and improve productivity. Not sure how that stops the shortage of GPs and nurses.

Why is UK industry lacking in innovation?

it is reasonable to suppose that a continuous supply of cheap labour from immigration, reduces the need to replace labour by spending money on machinery or other innovative things.


I'm not sure what you mean 'we' should be trying to increase exports:
the point I am making, is that young inexperienced immigrants increase the need for imports immediately but do not, in general create exports.

Doctors and nurses take many years to train and a lot of money: we can of course increase taxation to pay for the increases we need to service the population increase due to immigration.

It takes years before the full effects are felt during which we just accept longer waiting times and a few more deaths.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Rinoa wrote: »

After the Netherlands, England (not uk) is the second most crowded country in Europe.

And yet just 4% of England is developed or built on in any way at all and only 1.1% is used for housing.

The UK is not in any way overcrowded.

It's virtually empty.

It's alright saying we could build millions of new houses, but we don't.

Well we'd better just get on and build some.

Because more immigration is inevitable.

rationing of services.

No need.

EU immigrants already pay for all they consume and then contribute an additional £20 BILLION per decade.

If government then chooses to spend that on subsidising the native born rather than new infrastructure you should take it up with your MP.

Rinoa

carrot_cake wrote: »

I will say, however, that as a mother of a severely disabled, young, non-verbal child who had to wait nearly 2 years for any form of speech therapy because of funding, it does infuriate me to see how much is spent on interpreters for Drs appointments.


I know I will probably be shouted down for this post but it is my personal opinion.

What is the typical cost to the surgery of an interpreter. Any idea what it costs the practice each month?

CLAPTON

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

And yet just 4% of England is developed or built on in any way at all and only 1.1% is used for housing.

The UK is not in any way overcrowded.

It's virtually empty.



Well we'd better just get on and build some.

Because more immigration is inevitable.



No need.

EU immigrants already pay for all they consume and then contribute an additional £20 BILLION per decade.

If government then chooses to spend that on subsidising the native born rather than new infrastructure you should take it up with your MP.

if immigrants already paid for what they consumed there would be no shortage of houses, NHS failcities, road, transports or anything else.

we have no need for any immigrants what so ever.

Only those that know only the price of every thing and the value of nothing agree with you.

Rinoa

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

And yet just 4% of England is developed or built on in any way at all and only 1.1% is used for housing.

The UK is not in any way overcrowded.

It's virtually empty.



Well we'd better just get on and build some.

Because more immigration is inevitable.



No need.

EU immigrants already pay for all they consume and then contribute an additional £20 BILLION per decade.

If government then chooses to spend that on subsidising the native born rather than new infrastructure you should take it up with your MP.

Tell that to those who can't buy a house or who are paying 30/40% more in rent than several years ago.

Any idea how much it will cost to build an extra 100,000 houses per year along with the roads, sewerage, gas, electricity water etc. And how it would be paid for

Your theory sounds brilliant. Doesn't work in the real world though does it?

carrot_cake

Rinoa wrote: »

What is the typical cost to the surgery of an interpreter. Any idea what it costs the practice each month?

I have no idea, I would guess that an interpreter would earn £15-£20 per hour plus travel (if not more)?


My point is, aside from the money that is spent on this service for people just arriving in this country, is the very fact that it is readily available, when there is no money for a service that a child of two parents who have paid taxes all their lives, so desperately needs.


As I said, I'm no expert, this is just my personal feelings.

Rinoa

carrot_cake wrote: »

I have no idea, I would guess that an interpreter would earn £15-£20 per hour plus travel (if not more)?


My point is, aside from the money that is spent on this service for people just arriving in this country, is the very fact that it is readily available, when there is no money for a service that a child of two parents who have paid taxes all their lives, so desperately needs.


As I said, I'm no expert, this is just my personal feelings.

I can understand your frustration carrot cake. Hope the speech therapy was successful. Thank you for the information.

gfplux

carrot_cake wrote: »

I think there are around 8,000 patients (I cannot be sure, I am a receptionist). Some days, we can have in excess of 10 people requesting to register with the practice who have just arrived in the country (a mix of single people/couples or families with children).


I do not want to get into the politics of the in/out debate as I will readily admit that I do not know enough to argue the point either way. I will say, however, that as a mother of a severely disabled, young, non-verbal child who had to wait nearly 2 years for any form of speech therapy because of funding, it does infuriate me to see how much is spent on interpreters for Drs appointments.


I know I will probably be shouted down for this post but it is my personal opinion.

You make an important point Carrot.
Why does the NHS provide and pay for interpreters for non English speaking patients.
This is not an EU rule, directive or law.
This is a piece of expensive help thought up by British Politiciens. After Brexit this paricular type of help will NOT change.
Is seems to me many of the problems Britain has, have been self inflicted.
The more I hear and read the "arguments" and "facts" from the leave camp, the more I understand why the UK has so many problems.
The leave campaigners and supporters are blaming the wrong people. If there is a Brexit you may find out who is really at fault.

CLAPTON

gfplux wrote: »

You make an important point Carrot.
Why does the NHS provide and pay for interpreters for non English speaking patients.
This is not an EU rule, directive or law.
This is a piece of expensive help thought up by British Politiciens. After Brexit this paricular type of help will NOT change.
Is seems to me many of the problems Britain has, have been self inflicted.
The more I hear and read the "arguments" and "facts" from the leave camp, the more I understand why the UK has so many problems.
The leave campaigners and supporters are blaming the wrong people. If there is a Brexit you may find out who is really at fault.

It seems a little extreme to let people die for want of an interpreter, but maybe our foreigner speaking immigrants could set up a voluntary free service (very English in many ways) to help the new rrivals.

But you're right : after brexit we will be able to govern ourselves and if we want to see foreigners die for lack of an interpreter
when we could do so.