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If we vote for Brexit what happens
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Can you explain what the impact of an immigrant is on your life?
What a silly question. I might as well ask you the impact of a wasp on yours. If the answer was none whatsoever would that prove anything? If the answer was that you were stung & died of anaphylactic shock would that prove anything?
The point is, why should I or anyone else need to answer that question? It should be up to the British people to make up the rules on immigration, not 30 countries who's interests are mainly not ours.
Would you agree to a system whereby the people living in your street got to decide who moved into your house? The answer (regardless of what or if you actually answer) is no. So what's the difference?
I don't care if every potential immigrant that might ever even consider moving to the UK is a Nobel Prize winner. I still don't want the decision on whether they get to, to be made by a bunch of other national leaders who don't give a stuff about the UK. I'd at least like it to be made by whoever leads the UK at that time, and at least has to pretend to give a stuff about the UK, even if only to try to win the next election.0 -
I did not say that it was easy. Town Planning is difficult.
I have no idea what constitutes a limit and would not guess. I suppose we will reach that point when immigrants find it more difficult to find work and will stop coming.
At present India and Poland are popular places to come from. But there may come a day when those in India see more benefit in going elsewhere or even remaining in India. Equally Poland may grow and have more jobs for its citizens.
Fact remains, we need more labour immigration to sustain our economy.
there is absolutely no evidence that we need a single immigrant :0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Eleventy.
Seriously though, what's the point of such a question?
The fact is that EU migration, in the numbers we've had, and in the mix of education levels, skills and ages we've had, has been a financial net contributor to the UK.
Anyone that has seriously looked with an open mind at the long term prospects for UK pensions, aged care, and national debt understands we need more immigrants not less.
We can build more houses, roads and GP clinics. There's plenty of space to do so given the built environment in the UK is just 4% of our land and residential housing covers just 1.1% of land.
But we can't rebalance the books given the impending demographic crisis in this country without importing millions of young people to compensate for 5 decades of birth rates being below the replacement level.
Immigration on a massive scale is utterly inevitable.
As despite how politically unpopular it might be the only other alternatives, slashing NHS provision and pensions, or massively raising taxes, are even less popular.
After the Netherlands, England (not uk) is the second most crowded country in Europe. It's alright saying we could build millions of new houses, but we don't. Meanwhile any advantage immigrants provide to the UK born population is totally reversed and more by the extra cost of housing and rationing of services.
Immigration. Fine in theory, isn't working that well in practice.If I don't reply to your post,
you're probably on my ignore list.0 -
mayonnaise wrote: »Net migration from the EU was 185,000.
Not 350,000. Remember, as a good brexiteer, you are supposed to welcome and applaud non-EU migration as they are all highly skilled scientists, programmers and medical staff.
185,000 then. Roughly 0.3% of the population.
That's about 0.08 pupils extra per class in primary schools. (average class size of 26)
That's about 6 patients extra per GP (average 2000 patients per GP)
Can't cope? Nonsense. These are very moderate numbers of polulation growth and could be easily accomodated if the political will was there.
PS. Please stop peddling this bigot nonsense about 'need to build a city the size of x to cope with them migrants'. You're better than that.
6 patients extra per GP - is this per day/week/month/year?
I work in a GP surgery and would be interested to know the answer as it's definitely more than that per week!0 -
there is absolutely no evidence that we need a single immigrant :
You mean apart from the employment figures.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
carrot_cake wrote: »6 patients extra per GP - is this per day/week/month/year?
I work in a GP surgery and would be interested to know the answer as it's definitely more than that per week!
So how many patients in the practice and how many immigrants come in each day?Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
You mean apart from the employment figures.
the sign of a shortage of labour is significant and sustained wage increases: I see no sign of that.
another sign of a shortage of labour is productivity increase whereby business start to innovate and spend money on automation to replace expensive labour : there seems little sign of that
clearly we have a growing balance of payments problem partly due to the rise in essential imports to serivce the needs of the growing population, without any correspeonding growth in exports
well, exponentially increasing coffee bars and new restaurants don't, in general, increase exports.0 -
What a silly question. I might as well ask you the impact of a wasp on yours. .......
Had I claimed that the growing wasp population was affecting my quality of life, I would not mind answering the question. You said:The reality is that whilst some areas see almost no migration, other areas bear the brunt & are transformed utterly & in ways that are disastrous the the locals who've lived there their whole lives
I take it that your reaction is because there is no impact on you just on other people who express these views.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
I don't care if every potential immigrant that might ever even consider moving to the UK is a Nobel Prize winner. I still don't want the decision on whether they get to, to be made by a bunch of other national leaders who don't give a stuff about the UK. I'd at least like it to be made by whoever leads the UK at that time, and at least has to pretend to give a stuff about the UK, even if only to try to win the next election.
John Major, democratically elected by the British Public and appointed PM signed up to this on your behalf following a democratic election in the UK by British people.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
the sign of a shortage of labour is significant and sustained wage increases: I see no sign of that.
another sign of a shortage of labour is productivity increase whereby business start to innovate and spend money on automation to replace expensive labour : there seems little sign of that
clearly we have a growing balance of payments problem partly due to the rise in essential imports to serivce the needs of the growing population, without any correspeonding growth in exports
well, exponentially increasing coffee bars and new restaurants don't, in general, increase exports.
Good points. I agree we should be trying to increase exports and improve productivity. Not sure how that stops the shortage of GPs and nurses.
Why is UK industry lacking in innovation?Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0
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