If we vote for Brexit what happens

Sapphire

MiserlyMartin wrote: »

Its not really silly to drag this up since the leave campaign are involved with all sorts manipulation of the facts and inaccurate claims to brainwash the masses and scare them into staying in. What are the leave campaign supposed to do, sit back and not answer it back. Switzerland is a perfect example of how prosperous a country can be outside the EU. Its something Cameron and Osborne would rather you didn't know.

I thoroughly agree. :T

Tanarif

I don't think they will let us leave. Either the vote "rigged" or if the outcome is leave, something will prevent us.

BobQ

Rinoa wrote: »

There's probably not much affect on jobs. But with 350,000 net immigration every year and no extra houses, doctors surgeries, schools etc that's where many see the problems.

Many se problems yes but that does not make them real problems. The report points out that it is the failure of Governments to build houses that creates the shortages.

BobQ

Tanarif wrote: »

I don't think they will let us leave. Either the vote "rigged" or if the outcome is leave, something will prevent us.

You are taking paranoia to an art form

Rinoa

BobQ wrote: »

Many se problems yes but that does not make them real problems. The report points out that it is the failure of Governments to build houses that creates the shortages.

Yeah? So every year the govt has to build an extra 100,000 houses just to house the immigrants alone? How many extra schools, doctors surgeries, hospitals. And where does the money come from to build them and staff them all.

And claiming these aren't 'real' problems is just wishful thinking.

CLAPTON

BobQ wrote: »

Many se problems yes but that does not make them real problems. The report points out that it is the failure of Governments to build houses that creates the shortages.

The real point is that government haves not increased taxes (say 5p in the pound) to fund rhe extra houses, roads, NHS, transport , food imports, fuel, gas etc.
I trust you are doing your very best to make the case for a British tax to fund immigration as often as you can in as many places as you can.
It would help everyone to have some objective imformation about these costs and the taxation necessary to fund them.

BobQ

Rinoa wrote: »

Yeah? So every year the govt has to build an extra 100,000 houses just to house the immigrants alone? How many extra schools, doctors surgeries, hospitals. And where does the money come from to build them and staff them all.

And claiming these aren't 'real' problems is just wishful thinking.

It comes from the taxes paid by those who move to the area and need the services.

What does (say) Norwich Council do when they grant planning permission to build three new office blocks for 5000 new staff? They assess how many will come from that area and how many will move there from elsewhere including abroad. Then they make some intelligent guesses as to how many children these people have and plan their hospital and schools accordingly. They also take into account demographic changes of the current population.

It is normal business for a council.

ETA I did not say they were not real problems. I said that just because "many people" see a problem does not mean it is a real problem

BobQ

CLAPTON wrote: »

The real point is that government haves not increased taxes (say 5p in the pound) to fund rhe extra houses, roads, NHS, transport , food imports, fuel, gas etc.
I trust you are doing your very best to make the case for a British tax to fund immigration as often as you can in as many places as you can.
It would help everyone to have some objective imformation about these costs and the taxation necessary to fund them.

I said nothing of the kind. Services provided by a local authority are funded by local and national taxes paid by those who need them. Nobody builds a school on the off chance it is needed. They look at the available information and plan school capacity accordingly. What do you think happens to school capacity when the birth rate rises of the population of an area changes for other reasons?

CLAPTON

BobQ wrote: »

I said nothing of the kind. Services provided by a local authority are funded by local and national taxes paid by those who need them. Nobody builds a school on the off chance it is needed. They look at the available information and plan school capacity accordingly. What do you think happens to school capacity when the birth rate rises of the population of an area changes for other reasons?

I understand that immigrants use
-NHS hospitals
-NHS dentists
-NHS GPs
-schools
-roads
-housing
-transport
-local council services (waste disposal, libraries etc)
and many more

I sure you you know that most of these are NOT funded by local councils.

so are you sure they is no shortfall in any of these areas requiring increases in national taxation or council tax?

and for schools you may be interested how government funds schools ...
https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/education-funding-agency

Rinoa

BobQ wrote: »

It comes from the taxes paid by those who move to the area and need the services.

What does (say) Norwich Council do when they grant planning permission to build three new office blocks for 5000 new staff? They assess how many will come from that area and how many will move there from elsewhere including abroad. Then they make some intelligent guesses as to how many children these people have and plan their hospital and schools accordingly. They also take into account demographic changes of the current population.

It is normal business for a council.

ETA I did not say they were not real problems. I said that just because "many people" see a problem does not mean it is a real problem

The councils don't even know these immigrants are coming. Cameron said 10's of thousands a year. How does a council know how many will come and want houses, and where do the council get the money to build them? Have you any idea how long it takes to plan and build schools and hospitals? And you honestly believe immigrants pay sufficient tax to pay for all this?

If the official figures are 350,000 per year, chances are it's nearer to maybe 500,000. That's equivalent to building another Leeds every 12 months, just to cope with immigration alone.

Of course, its not the fault of individual immigrants, but to assume we can cope with this level of immigration year after year is just fantasy.