If we vote for Brexit what happens

mwpt

CLAPTON wrote: »

You are correct that immigrants don't mind moving to London and many native born young people also.

Just to clarify that remark. People born in the UK outside of London, people born in London and people born outside of the UK entirely, all want to move to London.

Could you explain how leaving the EU is going to solve the problem you seem to have with people wanting to move to capital cities? I ask because you continually bring up the overcrowding in London as an issue, and you blame the EU for this, yet I do not think the EU is the cause here.

Many move because of the job opportunities that are lacking in the other EU countries because of the incompetent EU economic management : I believe you want these people to have more and more control of our economy too.

Straw man. I never said this. I doubt many remain voters said anything like this.

Young people are very resilient and compared to unemployment and no hope, London is a huge attraction.

This isn't just a London thing. And what has it got to do with the EU where people from all over the UK move to London for work?

However, that makes the native born people of the UK worse off in terms of living standards job opportunities etc.

Well, as you know, I don't blame overcrowding for our housing problems. The number of houses per capita has increased over the years and only very recently decreased slightly. I can't link increasing housing per capita with an increase in cost. Though maybe regional differences explain this (eg. more people moving to London).

And people do care about about overcrowding : its just that YOU don't care about other people's quality of life.

People all over the world have the choice to live in crowds or not and evidence shows you are wrong, people are living more densely in capital cities. You cannot sit there and tell me I am wrong because of your opinion when the evidence shows that people are making conscious choices all over the world to move to capital cities and live more densely.

You NEVER mention quality of life and are only interested in your god GDP.

Quality of life is a very qualitative measure. You can't measure someone else's quality of life by your own standards.

Also I NEVER judge the quality peoples arguments on their race, religion, sexual orientation, nationality or where they live : I would expect no less from you.

Are you referring to me questioning whether you live in London? I think this is quite relevant. If you don't live in London, why are you trying to tell people who do that they are making the wrong choice because overcrowding is bad?

CLAPTON

mwpt wrote: »

Are you referring to me questioning whether you live in London? I think this is quite relevant. If you don't live in London, why are you trying to tell people who do that they are making the wrong choice because overcrowding is bad?

awesomely silly
thanks goodness that proposition isn't being made by a brexit person

think about it for a few seconds and consider deleting your post.

michaels

Hmm - day 3 of Obama saying exactly what the Remain camp have written for him - could this be overkill and lead to a backlash or is that just wishful thinking?

The '10 years for a trade deal' is top story for the BBC again, the continuing protests against the TTIP deal that we will get if we vote to remain are relegated to a small story on the business page.

mwpt

CLAPTON wrote: »

awesomely silly
thanks goodness that proposition isn't being made by a brexit person

think about it for a few seconds and consider deleting your post.

Why don't you explain clearly what you mean then, you're always asking other people to not beat around the bush. Why do you think you get to speak for all Londoners? Spell it out.

gfplux

We should keep an eye on what the American presidential candidates are saying. Almost all candidates are now talking "trade protectionism" this is mainly directed at China but there may be fall out effecting all country's that want to negotiate new trade deals with the USA.

CLAPTON

mwpt wrote: »

Why don't you explain clearly what you mean then, you're always asking other people to not beat around the bush. Why do you think you get to speak for all Londoners? Spell it out.

what restrictions do you wish to impose on free speech?
what sort of principles are you using to justify your absurd proposition?
where have I ever claimed to speak for all Londoners : if you could read you would see I acknowledged that many of the young will vote 'stay' even if they are Turkeys voting for christmas.

I observing the obvious :
-that 3 million foreign people living in London massively reduces the possibility of UK born people living in a family sized house
-that a flood of cheap well qualified labour suppress wages and reduced incentives to invest in higher productivity
-that both obviously reduce the standard of living of the UK born people.
-That the big winners are, in general older people who already own house and the big losers are the young (30s) who can't live in decent sized housing

why not just agree but claim that you are appeasing your god of GDP and that the sacrifices are required by your deity.

Rinoa

michaels wrote: »

Hmm - day 3 of Obama saying exactly what the Remain camp have written for him - could this be overkill and lead to a backlash or is that just wishful thinking?

The '10 years for a trade deal' is top story for the BBC again, the continuing protests against the TTIP deal that we will get if we vote to remain are relegated to a small story on the business page.

Still 2 months to Independence Day and the govt. have sent out their leaflets, made all their threats, written to every organization on the planet and told them what they need to say and even brought the leader of the free world over to give us a lecture.

They've played all their best cards but made no discernible difference to the polls.

Generali

Rinoa wrote: »

Still 2 months to Independence Day and the govt. have sent out their leaflets, made all their threats, written to every organization on the planet and told them what they need to say and even brought the leader of the free world over to give us a lecture.

They've played all their best cards but made no discernible difference to the polls.

I reckon Brexit will need a solid 7-10 percentage point lead in the polls with a week to go to have a chance of winning. People vote for the status quo, it's just what they do.

Tromking

Rinoa wrote: »

Still 2 months to Independence Day and the govt. have sent out their leaflets, made all their threats, written to every organization on the planet and told them what they need to say and even brought the leader of the free world over to give us a lecture.

They've played all their best cards but made no discernible difference to the polls.

Brexit are clearly holding the 'immigration bomb' back till nearer the time of the vote. Wise move, because if Theresa May`s performance on the Marr Show is anything to go by this morning, its a guaranteed home run. Why she can't admit that continued EU membership means three million more people in the UK by 2030 I don't know. Gideon admitted as much himself when he based his £4300 per household loss in GDP on that level of immigration in last weeks scare story. Tories are weird.

mwpt

CLAPTON wrote: »

what restrictions do you wish to impose on free speech?
what sort of principles are you using to justify your absurd proposition?

I do believe you've lost it. What is this about free speech? What is my absurd position, could you please, for once, clarify what you actually mean by these random ranting attacks?