If we vote for Brexit what happens

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

EU exit threat to UK food security, says report



Food supply. Probably not high on the agenda for our Angry Little England Supremacists with an irrational fear of 'the other'.

does this mean that the agricultural countries of the EU will refuse to sell us food?
presumably, up to now, they have been doing us a favour selling us food, because they love us so much?

mayonnaise

CLAPTON wrote: »

does this mean that the agricultural countries of the EU will refuse to sell us food?
presumably, up to now, they have been doing us a favour selling us food, because they love us so much?

Apologies, I forgot to add link to my post, done now.
No it doesn't mean they will refuse to sell us food.
We're talking supply chain.

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

Apologies, I forgot to add link to my post, done now.
No it doesn't mean they will refuse to sell us food.
We're talking supply chain.

the article doesn't seem to explain anything

mayonnaise

CLAPTON wrote: »

the article doesn't seem to explain anything

Don't be lazy.
The article links to the report.
http://foodresearch.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Food-and-Brexit-briefing-paper-2.pdf

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

Don't be lazy.
The article links to the report.
http://foodresearch.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Food-and-Brexit-briefing-paper-2.pdf

it's just a ridiculous propaganda sheet for the stay camp

kabayiri

I think you lot are seriously misjudging the level of the Brexit debate.

The BSE mad cow lot dropped a leaflet through the post here today.

Essentially it says. Europe. Stay. Leave = doomed. Stay. Famous bloke says more secure (Sir knowsalot) in Europe. Jobs. Wisely, they don't show any pics of Merkel or that Tusk bloke.

I guess people who buy the trite soundbites from either side deserve all they get.

.string.

CLAPTON wrote: »

It is completely normal, when trading a specific product that the importing country that one would conform to the standards of the inward country.
It is completely abnormal to have to conform to 100s of totally unrelated rules and regulation that have nothing to do with the product types being imported.

So if e.g. one is exporting cars to a country then conforming to their car safety, pollution etc standards would be normal.
But to have ones other unrelated policies (e.g. agriculture, water management etc), determined by the importer is inappropriate.

Seems all straightforward and normal.

Not really, the rules which you are talking about cover activities which / trade between economic regions. Our relation ship with the EU covers more than just cars.

It covers people here buying stuff from any country in the EU, and those outside who have to pass muster in order to export to the EU, which we are sure is safe and have a quality according to a standard which we know and is agreed across Europe.

Compare that with having to agree separately with every country with which we do trade. Someone might have all these f=different standards written down somewhere but the average Brit would not have a clue about the products they were buying.

It's called standardisation and the EU is very useful (indispensable i think) in this regard.

CLAPTON

.string. wrote: »

Not really, the rules which you are talking about cover activities which / trade between economic regions. Our relation ship with the EU covers more than just cars.

It covers people here buying stuff from any country in the EU, and those outside who have to pass muster in order to export to the EU, which we are sure is safe and have a quality according to a standard which we know and is agreed across Europe.

Compare that with having to agree separately with every country with which we do trade. Someone might have all these f=different standards written down somewhere but the average Brit would not have a clue about the products they were buying.

It's called standardisation and the EU is very useful (indispensable i think) in this regard.

absolutely staggering how the other 170 (ish) countries in the world have moved out of the stone age
and even more amazing how ever the southern european countries have such an amazing high unemployment rate

.string.

CLAPTON wrote: »

it's just a ridiculous propaganda sheet for the stay camp

No attempt to refute the serious points raised by mayonnaise I see.

For example (related to the last post I responded to):

Brexit would mean that a vast and complicated range of contracts, trade deals and systems of governance which underpin UK food would have to be renegotiated.

One possibility would be to leave the existing rules in place and then modify them slowly; but if so, why leave, when the EU is constantly a process of slow change in the first place?

An issue worth discussing: For example all existing standards are indeed incorporated into British Law. As EU law changes they will have to be changed by us according to the timetable dictated by the EU.

But it's more complex than that because we cant assume that our multitude of bilateral agreements will all follow EU Law. The likelihood is that teach bilateral agreement with a different country will have its own standards, so we are faced with an explosion of different laws.

.string.

CLAPTON wrote: »

absolutely staggering how the other 170 (ish) countries in the world have moved out of the stone age
and even more amazing how ever the southern european countries have such an amazing high unemployment rate

In what way is that even remotely relevant to what I posted? Have you nothing in your mind but irrelevant slogans?