If we vote for Brexit what happens

CLAPTON

Generali wrote: »

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What Aussies don't like is people rocking up in boats, smuggled in horrendous conditions by criminals and they do everything they can to stop the criminal trade in people. I guess the European version is what the Greece/Turkish plan is about: stop the people smugglers. Quite right too as the smugglers are vermin preying on the desperate.

with Aus having a virtually open door policy, why do people turn up in boats rather than flying in comfort?

Rinoa

mayonnaise wrote: »

You can't be serious. Principles?
He's been a benefit slasher for the last 6 years and now all of the sudden this one meassure is a compromise too far?
Sure thing. :rotfl:

He was happy slashing benefits so that only those deserving qualified. He wasn't happy slashing benefits to those who clearly needed them.

CLAPTON

chewmylegoff wrote: »

Odious or not, he was punching the air when Osborne announced increases to the minimum wage. Do you think the minimum wage should be cut then?

surely you know the left are strictly forbidden to mention the minimum wage now

Generali

CLAPTON wrote: »

with Aus having a virtually open door policy, why do people turn up in boats rather than flying in comfort?

I have no idea CLAPTON. Perhaps you could ask them.

Maybe they don't have a spare three months and unfettered access to the internet required to go through a bureaucratic process. Maybe they don't understand that there is another way. Maybe they do it to annoy Mr Abbott. There are probably as many reasons as migrants.

Seeing as only twice since 1976 have the numbers exceeded 10,000 I suspect that the issue receives more attention than is strictly necessary:

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/rp1314/QG/BoatArrivals

If you measure the year by financial year, numbers have exceeded 10,000 once in 40 years.

Still people do seem to like to obsess about immigration.

FWIW, I think that the treatment of boat arriving people on Manus is a disgrace but perhaps it is necessary to process offshore in order to stop criminal organisations bringing people in terrible and dangerous conditions to Australia (and also apparently trafficking sex slaves, debt bonded workers (regular slaves) and engaging in forced organ donation).

mayonnaise

CBI : 'Brexit' could cost Britain 100 billion pounds and a million jobs.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-europe-cbi-idUKKCN0WN0IK

Brexiteers - as usual - dismiss it as scaremongering.

mayonnaise

John Major on Brexit.

The “leave” campaign blandly assumes that once they have undermined – if not wrecked – the power of the EU by leaving it, they can simply re-negotiate all the advantages of membership with pliant Europeans eager for our trade. This is self-deception to the point of delusion. Their argument is that the EU needs the UK market more than we need theirs, on the basis that – overall – the EU exports more to the UK than we export to them. This is, at best, disingenuous. More bluntly, it is fantasy.
UK exports to Europe are nearly 45 per cent of our total exports. On average – across the EU – the other 27 Member States send only 7% of their total exports to us. In the game of who needs who the most, the answer is clear. Our European partners will not be the demandeur in any negotiations on the Single Market – we will be.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12199111/John-Major-Voting-to-leave-will-poison-Europe-and-divide-West.html

But yes, I hear you, brexiteers, we will have more control over our borders. Borders of an isolated, impoverished island. Wonderful.

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

CBI : 'Brexit' could cost Britain 100 billion pounds and a million jobs.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-europe-cbi-idUKKCN0WN0IK

Brexiteers - as usual - dismiss it as scaremongering.

is that the same 1 million jobs that we lost when we didn't join the euro?

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

CBI : 'Brexit' could cost Britain 100 billion pounds and a million jobs.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-europe-cbi-idUKKCN0WN0IK

Brexiteers - as usual - dismiss it as scaremongering.

The CBI were passionate about us having to join the euro or the UK would become a third world country

no surprise they are wrong a second time

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

John Major on Brexit.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12199111/John-Major-Voting-to-leave-will-poison-Europe-and-divide-West.html

But yes, I hear you, brexiteers, we will have more control over our borders. Borders of an isolated, impoverished island. Wonderful.

a totally nonsense argument as it basically says a smaller country can't trade successfully with a larger one
something, that even devote europhiles must see is proved false every single day of the year.

Rinoa

mayonnaise wrote: »

CBI : 'Brexit' could cost Britain 100 billion pounds and a million jobs.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-europe-cbi-idUKKCN0WN0IK

Brexiteers - as usual - dismiss it as scaremongering.

Fair enough.

But if the EU exports twice as much to us as we do to them, they obviously stand to lose £200Bn and 2 million jobs.

It will be a win win for both UK and EU to carry on trading as we do now.