If we vote for Brexit what happens

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

There's a pretty real possibility we'll have a no deal outcome even without another referendum on the deal. Our red lines are completely incompatible with the EU.

Don't lose sight of the fact that we are simply leaving the membership of the EU. This does not give the EU member states the right to impose onerous or unrelated conditions on the UK's exit.

gfplux

Yah_Boo_Sux wrote: »

For those wondering who decides and approves the content of negotiations during the Brexit process have a read of this.
http://www.politico.eu/article/meet-the-obscure-eu-council-driving-brexit-negotiations-general-affairs-council-michel-barnier/

That's the EU side sorted.
What about the British side. Will it just be PM May (if she wins) sitting in Downing Street. After 11 months still no details.

StevieJ

setmefree2 wrote: »

Hiking tax doesn't necessarily produce more tax.

When Osborne lowered tax from 50% to 45% he got more money.

When CT was lowered - the exchequer got more money.

It's The Laffer Curve init

Not sure your observation of the Osborne tax cut is correct, the reason it raised more revenue was because of the short time that the 50% tax was in operation. This allowed employers to 'time shift' employee pay into the lower tax financial year (especially large city bonuses). Who is to say that the top of the Laffer curve is not 50%?

gfplux

Britain has been on the Brexit road for 11 months. It is clear that Britain is making a mistake. Just stop walking in that direction and turn around. It can be done. In my dreams I see the new PM after the GE making an announcement of common sense.

PS if "in your dreams" being posted was a drinking game, well....

kabayiri

gfplux wrote: »

Britain has been on the Brexit road for 11 months. It is clear that Britain is making a mistake. Just stop walking in that direction and turn around. It can be done. In my dreams I see the new PM after the GE making an announcement of common sense.

PS if "in your dreams" being posted was a drinking game, well....

Well, as PM, which group are you prepared to upset most?
- Remainers, or
- Leavers

It seems pretty clear that we have divided opinion, so does it not come down to calculated risk?

Immigration was one of the main issues on the doorstep, and yet the EU are still adamant that they determine migration policy. It's one of their red lines.

They know the views of the British public, so essentially they are pulling rank over a big chunk of them.

If the EU do win over then surely they will move on to other things, buoyed by their victory?

The UK would not be an effective counterbalance to any future EU direction, and Germany / France would basically hold sway.

If you align with these countries then obviously it wouldn't worry you.

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

It is clear that Britain is making a mistake.

What's changed? I haven't heard any murmurs from within the EU regarding FOM to entice the UK electorate to reconsider for example. Totally the reverse in fact. With the hard core Federalists now pushing forward with their vision of an integrated (albeit two speed) Europe. As it was the UK that was able to exert pressure to block such moves.

Thrugelmir

Tromking wrote: »

Just making the point that reducing the deficit by slashing our public services is hardly "amazing" it's merely a natural consequence.

Hardly slashed. Was Brown that created the bloated public sector and welfare state. On the basis of the abolishment of boom and bust. Nor were his fiscal plans prudent. If they were the UK wouldn't be in this predicament now. Austerity is therefore a natural consequence. Tough but fair for everyone.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

gfplux wrote: »

That's the EU side sorted.
What about the British side. Will it just be PM May (if she wins) sitting in Downing Street. After 11 months still no details.

Do you not remember you discussion about Davis?
Is your memory really so short?

11 months?
I thought Article 50 was presented 29th March?
So any way, that is now a few months less that the EU can waffle, cajole, bluster and coerce before getting down to real business, probably in the last few months as panic sets in on their side.
Judging by other EU "dealings" obviously.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

gfplux wrote: »

Britain has been on the Brexit road for 11 months. It is clear that Britain is making a mistake. Just stop walking in that direction and turn around. It can be done. In my dreams I see the new PM after the GE making an announcement of common sense.

PS if "in your dreams" being posted was a drinking game, well....

It is only clear to adamantly pro-EU protagonists such as yourself.
Most of the UK sits in the middle rather than in your political extreme, fortunately.
We are leaving the EU.

It may be better to concentrate your energies on your own problems in Luxembourg rather that attempting to convert those who do not want converting in these threads.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Don't lose sight of the fact that we are simply leaving the membership of the EU. This does not give the EU member states the right to impose onerous or unrelated conditions on the UK's exit.

Indeed the EU's own Lisbon Treaty says that neighbouring countries must be treated fairly and allowed to prosper.
Article 8: "The Union shall develop a special relationship with neighbouring countries, aiming to establish an area of prosperity and good neighbourliness founded on the values of the Union and characterised by close and peaceful relations based on cooperation."

http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/the-lisbon-treaty/