If we vote for Brexit what happens

setmefree2

Primark owner looks to Brexit as a chance to reduce tariffs on clothing imports and keep prices low

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-4426120/Primark-owner-looks-Brexit-chance-cut-tariffs.html

mrginge

setmefree2 wrote: »

Imho and fwiw - if there is (at least) a three year transition period after a deal is reached - the May government might have to continue to accept FoM - which is why we are having the GE now - the Tories couldn't have gone in to a GE in 2020 not having gotten rid of FoM. Plus, it looks like we will have to continue to pay into the EU while in transition - so the Tories have chose to go now rather than a face a GE in 2020 trying to explain FoM and large contributions to the EU.

As I said just mho.

I personally don't see any of that as unreasonable as this whole process is a long term project. It can't just be carry on as per for another x years though, rather there needs to be some ongoing progression so that leavers can see things moving and remainers can see it's being done without the oft-quoted cliff edge.

If we look at NHS recruitment for example. We need to wean it away from immigrant labour without compromising an already overstretched service. A fresh five year term means we can get on with that process now and it gets you a bit further down that road by the time you have to go back to the country.

setmefree2

Jeremy Corbyn refuses to rule out second referendum on Brexit deal

Labour leader launches party’s election campaign with passionate speech in Westminster, but refuses to answer questions on second Brexit vote

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/20/jeremy-corbyn-john-mcdonnell-speech-establishment-people-brexit

setmefree2

Makes you think - FoM really isn't all it's cracked up to be - no EU nationals get to vote in the GE - whatever happened to "no taxation without representation!" ?

davomcdave

setmefree2 wrote: »

Makes you think - FoM really isn't all it's cracked up to be - no EU nationals get to vote in the GE - whatever happened to "no taxation without representation!" ?

It's the same in Aus. Nobody votes except citizens yet everyone pays taxes.

So bad.

wotsthat

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Restrict movement to skilled workers only, with jobs to go to. If a party commits to FOM they can guarantee they will not get my vote, it might work on the continent but here we can't deal with it. We have a massive number of Polish people here in my locality, very few of them in skilled work, and very few of them speak English.

If people come to this country we need to be able to ensure they have SKILLED work, ensure they have enough money to fall back on if they "lose" that job, that they have a home to go to and will not expect social housing, and that they actually speak English. We also need to demand that they have a medical before they arrive, one from a list of doctors that can be trusted, and perhaps controversially, we need to tell them that they will not get free medical treatment for anything other than accidental injuries for the first year - that would stop the people that move here because they need ongoing medical treatment.

I now await attacks from the people that think we should open our doors to everyone and had over a free pass to the nhs as soon as people come in.

What you suggest would sound reasonable to many people but it's very binary in that it assumes there's a pool of UK unskilled workers chomping at the bit to get those hospitals cleaned and that fruit picked if only those foreigners would do one.

Per your post people don't want unskilled foreign workers handling their fruit, meal deals or portering patients around a hospital. There's also strong evidence they're unwilling to pay Brits to do those jobs either (ref the number of migrant workers in the economy).

The UK consumer is the most hypocritical liar walking the planet. When questioned they'd say 'oh yes I'm willing to pay more to ensure decent pay for Brits' and then off they go and buy strawberries picked by migrants, taxied around by Asians, their car washed by Romanians whilst they have a nice bit of flapjack served by a pretty Italian. Talking the talk whilst walking one hypocritical step at a time.

The answer is usually well the Brit will be forced to work and employers banned from employing unskilled foreigners. Fair enough but if the consumer really gave a monkey's such coercion wouldn't be required. People would shun those employers using foreign labour yet strangely enough it's standing room only when I'm picking up my £3 meal deal in Tesco.

Of course you are walking the talk and want everyone else to do the same because you know they won't unless they're forced. Whatever happened to the will of the people?

gfplux

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Restrict movement to skilled workers only, with jobs to go to. If a party commits to FOM they can guarantee they will not get my vote, it might work on the continent but here we can't deal with it. We have a massive number of Polish people here in my locality, very few of them in skilled work, and very few of them speak English.

If people come to this country we need to be able to ensure they have SKILLED work, ensure they have enough money to fall back on if they "lose" that job, that they have a home to go to and will not expect social housing, and that they actually speak English. We also need to demand that they have a medical before they arrive, one from a list of doctors that can be trusted, and perhaps controversially, we need to tell them that they will not get free medical treatment for anything other than accidental injuries for the first year - that would stop the people that move here because they need ongoing medical treatment.

I now await attacks from the people that think we should open our doors to everyone and had over a free pass to the nhs as soon as people come in.

Do you mean an awful lot of Polish people in Surrey?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

wotsthat wrote: »

What you suggest would sound reasonable to many people but it's very binary in that it assumes there's a pool of UK unskilled workers chomping at the bit to get those hospitals cleaned and that fruit picked if only those foreigners would do one.

Per your post people don't want unskilled foreign workers handling their fruit, meal deals or portering patients around a hospital. There's also strong evidence they're unwilling to pay Brits to do those jobs either (ref the number of migrant workers in the economy).

The UK consumer is the most hypocritical liar walking the planet. When questioned they'd say 'oh yes I'm willing to pay more to ensure decent pay for Brits' and then off they go and buy strawberries picked by migrants, taxied around by Asians, their car washed by Romanians whilst they have a nice bit of flapjack served by a pretty Italian. Talking the talk whilst walking one hypocritical step at a time.

The answer is usually well the Brit will be forced to work and employers banned from employing unskilled foreigners. Fair enough but if the consumer really gave a monkey's such coercion wouldn't be required. People would shun those employers using foreign labour yet strangely enough it's standing room only when I'm picking up my £3 meal deal in Tesco.

Of course you are walking the talk and want everyone else to do the same because you know they won't unless they're forced. Whatever happened to the will of the people?

What a load of juvenile male cattle.
Still, it does more than adequately display your complete disdain for the populace; I wonder how you can possibly stand life in our country?

It isn't binary at all - much though you would dearly love it to be.
You're assuming that there are as if by magic many new jobs available requiring these hospitals to be cleaned and fruit to be picked.
Are the people doing these jobs now merely to be cast aside?
Or are we going to magically pluck the need for these new jobs out of the ether?

What you refuse to accept is that for many a "full" sign should be displayed at the door to the UK.
What we really don't need are bus/train/airplane loads more migrants arriving without a job to come to.
Maybe when they're needed, but not when we are already full.
And we are.

Foreign workers already handle our fruit - we don't tend to produce much in the way of oranges, grapes and mangoes in the UK in case you hadn't noticed.
These pesky foreigners are very likely to have handled most of what you own in fact.
The meals are likely to be imports too and the porters?
Well as 16.7% of total workers are foreign-born (according to the Migration Observatory) I suppose naturally some of them will be immigrants.
And never - never - have I heard anyone complaining about paying anybody in these forums, be they "Brits" or otherwise; show me where they do?
MP's excepted of course, since lots grumble about how useless they are generally.
No, no-one is unwilling to pay Brits to do these jobs - that is just your usual deluded spin and further evidence of your condescension towards the people of the UK.

Talking of which, how good it is of you to to describe the entire nation as hypocritical liars.
Fortunately that is just your opinion and as we all know, opinions are like an a@se**le; everybody has one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks.
So why not explain to us all just what you personally have done to negate any of what you describe yourself; you will I'm sure now tell us that you never buy from the web to save jobs and that you never eat tuna in order to save dolphins?
Or will you attempt: "No, I mean what everybody else thinks! Not me!"

I wonder if you bother to look around you as you buy your £3 meal deal in Tesco?
Raise your eyes and look - at what a multicultural bunch make up the crowds as you choose your meal.
You might also see the sections of the supermarket devoted to foods from around the world, specifically targetted at those shoppers not native to the UK.

Now okay, a few Brits may have a problem with that cultural diversity but they are in a very small minority; most are blase if not accepting.
Again, it is the continuing mass influx without pre-planned prospects which gives rise to reluctance - not those already here.

Methinks then that by far the most hypocritical one here is yourself.

Mortgagefreeman

CKhalvashi wrote: »

My desire for a quick exit from the UK is also mine.

I also look forward to standing against the incumbent Conservative in the 2020 UK election,.

Well you won't be standing against him in the 2017 Election.;) I see they've already chosen your Candidate.

http://www.hertfordshiremercury.co.uk/hertford-and-stortford-general-election-candidate-for-the-liberal-democrats-will-be-mark-argent/story-30281064-detail/story.html

No doubt Mark will be glad to stand aside for you in 2022 :rotfl:

A_Medium_Size_Jock

gfplux wrote: »

Do you mean an awful lot of Polish people in Surrey?

I suspect there may be more than you see in Luxembourg.