If we vote for Brexit what happens

davomcdave

Conrad wrote: »

So there's plenty of risks of Remaining then, as we said all along? Risks whether we leave or remain, that's life.

Of course, there's a risk to everything except US T-Bills (apparently). It's which risk is the greater versus the expected return or possible range of returns that is important and that's where Brexit fails massively as there is a huge risk skew. Life in the UK could get slightly better or a lot worse as a result of Brexit. The UK is already the 6th biggest economy in the world with one of the longest life expectancies. How much better can things realistically get without moving the country somewhere with nicer weather?

We'll see how things turn out but I doubt it will be remotely like you fantacise.

TrickyTree83

davomcdave wrote: »

Before you know it the government has signed a bunch of agreements that allow farm-not-in-a-hole products to be sold into India whereas farm-in-a-hole, the ag-tech of the future, is locked out.

That would be lobby groups protecting their interest, which is what happens in the EU, from the private and public sector.

Farm-in-a-hole gets blocked by Bulgaria as it will cause mass unemployment there. No deal. Farm-in-a-hole would grow massively in the UK but we cannot exploit it because of the trade barriers existing outside of the EU.

The door swings both ways, but it seems only one direction appears to smack you in the face when you're supposedly sovereign.

Arklight

Conrad wrote: »

Yes, I don't get drawn into the long arguments quibbling over figures, you never get anywhere. I prefer over-arching big picture points.

Yes, I think we all got that.

kabayiri

davomcdave wrote: »

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It's very hard for the government to identify quality future opportunities like farm-in-a-hole before time so hard for them to back the right horse. Maybe the government decides, incorrectly, that farm-not-in-a-hole is the right technology to support as the Farm-not-in-a-hole Manufacturers Association get into the ear of the trade minister. Before you know it the government has signed a bunch of agreements that allow farm-not-in-a-hole products to be sold into India whereas farm-in-a-hole, the ag-tech of the future, is locked out.

You can perform reasonably valid risk analysis on an emerging market though.

Here's a controversial thought...

We spend about £12bn per annum on foreign aid. So that's nearly £100bn since the financial crash then.

I honestly do not see any fundamental changes in the areas where that money has gone.

We could spend that £100bn as a massive punt on graphene and related materials research, and maybe deliver the definitive portable water filtration device which would transform the lives of millions of people in Asia and Africa. It's not just water, it's things like screens from parasites and insects which are highly portable.

We should aim to achieve premier status and world standing in a few areas which we know will transform the way we live our lives.

Where I admire Conrad's thinking, is that he firmly believes in the "can do" attitude.

The Remain camp did not sell a future vision of the EU to me which was compelling. It seemed to be more of the same.

mrginge

davomcdave wrote: »

Life in the UK could get slightly better or a lot worse as a result of Brexit. The UK is already the 6th biggest economy in the world with one of the longest life expectancies. How much better can things realistically get without moving the country somewhere with nicer weather?

We'll see how things turn out but I doubt it will be remotely like you fantacise.

Damn all those thick poor people who were asked if they wanted to change things and said yes because their actual lives don't reflect the joyous picture described above.

Conrad

kabayiri wrote: »

The Remain camp did not sell a future vision of the EU to me which was compelling. It seemed to be more of the same.

On other forums Remainers are asking why the marches and arguments are making no impact.


My advice is exactly what you say here - that they continue to fail to offer a compelling vision.


I was watching interviews of Remainers on protest marches being asked for their top reasons to remain in the EU. The most common one proffered was ability to travel around Europe freely.


We will work out ways to travel and work in Europe just as we always did, just as Aussies and Kiwis are doing as I type. In other words it's a p1ss poor argument for losing sovereignty, autonomy and £25 million per day.




Then they use abstract narratives like 'we want to be a part of Europe'. Err we will remain a part of Europe and be good co-operating neighbours, so another daft argument.


Eddie Izzard said on a march 'the extremists want to drive us apart'. Another weak minded assertion. I wont be driven apart from my European neighbours just because we're sovereign.


It's the same with much everything they say, it's all a bit limp and ill thought through.

Conrad

Another piece unpicking the Remain myth that Brexiteers are working class dumbos;


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/07/brexitland-no-working-class-uprising-fareham-owen-jones

mayonnaise

Conrad wrote: »

Another piece unpicking the Remain myth that Brexiteers are working class dumbos;


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/07/brexitland-no-working-class-uprising-fareham-owen-jones

Does it also unpick the myth the 'remoaners' are out of touch elitists? Or does it only work one way.

mayonnaise

Conrad wrote: »

It's the same with much everything they say, it's all a bit limp and ill thought through.

Did it ever occur to you that you sound a lot like those 'liberals' in your signature?

authoritarians who's (sic) fanaticism is rooted in a belief they are on the side of the only true and righteous path

A_Medium_Size_Jock

davomcdave wrote: »

So you mean that the revenues of all of the Indian companies in the UK were almost as much as the Italian Post Office or Australia's third biggest bank. I can see why Indian companies are reluctant to invest in Britain.

Look at it another way - the revenues of all the Indian companies in the UK would ensure that Scotland's (a whole country mind) deficit was non-existent for two whole years.

Oh plus I note you STILL ignore Government statistics stating that Indian companies are the third largest investors into the UK.
Some "reluctant" that is.


Now (as has been said earlier) let's not get (again) too hung up on India.
Move on.
And without deception and downright lies please.