If we vote for Brexit what happens

Herzlos

kabayiri wrote: »

I have a problem when it comes to standards and protectionism. I just don't like the idea.

I have the same issue with firms like IBM who amass very large patent banks, as a method of building in corporate protectionism.

I think you achieve more progress when you have open protocols.

I'm all for standards, they make interoperation much easier. My ISOFIX car seat will work in any car with the ISOFIX logo, for instance. My mobile phone working in a predefined list of regions.
Safety and quality standards are even more important, though less obvious. Is my personal data being held by a company complying with a security standard? Are the bolts in my car compliant with whatever automotive safety standard is involved? Is my food being produced in a factory that adheres to the various food safety standards?

Protectionism is a waste of time though, as is private standards and multiple different standards trying to do the same thing.

StevieJ

Why did South Asians vote for Brexit? An interesting article, from within the South Asian community.

The arguments were the same: the rent prices, the NHS, the benefit cuts. The blame: immigration. More than this, there was the hope that once European migration stops, migration from South Asian countries can restart.

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2016/11/03/why-did-south-asians-vote-for-brexit/

cogito

Tromking wrote: »

Yes, just heard Verhofstadt accusing the UK of using the security of EU citizens as a bargaining chip, that`ll be the UK operating RAF Typhoons out of Poland and a UK having just sent 1000 troops and military materiel to Estonia too.
The odds of the UK declaring UDI from the EU must be rising.:)

The hypocrisy of these people is breathtaking. When we said to the EU that we can sort out residence rights of EU citizens in the UK and vice versa immediately, they refused point blank. They were quite happy to use people as bargaining chips when it suited them.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

StevieJ wrote: »

Why did South Asians vote for Brexit? An interesting article, from within the South Asian community.



http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2016/11/03/why-did-south-asians-vote-for-brexit/

Are you suggesting that discrimination by allowing free movement of European citizens only is acceptable?
That applying the same rules regardless of origin are not?

mrginge

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Heh, already farcical isn't it?

The EU stance of agreeing terms without agreeing trade is frankly ridiculous.

When we go to buy a car, we are not told that we must pay before we know what car we will get for our money.
Or what equipment the car will come with; what extra's we could buy if we want to ............. or even what colour we can have.

Insert your own analogies if you wish but there is no way that you will convince the majority that payment must be agreed before we know what we are getting.
That applies just as equally to the EU as with anything in life.

I can see the logic in their thinking. They want their future budgets sorting first of all so fair enough. Plus of course, once that's resolved it's no longer a factor that we can use to influence the trade deal.
And remember. Divorce payment is all about the EU itself, trade deal is all about the members. The EU are simply trying to cover their own !!!!!! first.

We of course want it all lumped together because a joint bargain gives us more leeway.

I expect the reality to be a compromise where for example we agree a payment on some things in order to kick off trade talks and deal with the contentious payment issues during or after. Something along those lines.

Time that the entrenched views on both sides of the debate realised that nobody's getting everything they want out of this, but it is happening.
!!!! heads like farron, sturgeon, farage/nuttall/UKIP will no doubt carry on whingeing for ever.

Arklight

Conrad wrote: »

The point is that only those firms that wish to sell into the EU (a small minority) will have to abide by EU red tape.


But all those many often small firms that have nothing to do with the EU can be subject to British rules fit for the British market - as we slowly evolve our own rules. That's the point

Or back in the real world. British widget manufacturers will conform to whatever the EU standard is, with no say at all about how that standard is set, because no-one wants a non compliant widget in their product.

setmefree2

kabayiri wrote: »

On a (slight) side note.

Tim Farron on the radio today reckons that we could just abandon A50 at any time and go back into the EU, as though nothing had happened.

Is he right?

There does seem to be some debate about this - there was a case going through the Irish courts but I haven't read anything about it for months so I'm not sure where that's at.

mrginge

Arklight wrote: »

Or back in the real world. British widget manufacturers will conform to whatever the EU standard is, with no say at all about how that standard is set, because no-one wants a non compliant widget in their product.

is it just British widget manufacturers that have to comply with this EU standard?

No it isn't is it.

It all manufacturers. UK, EU, RoW. Everyone is in the same boat if they want to sell into the EU.

so what if the EU set a new or different standard and so what if it makes the manufacturing more expensive. That's the cost that EU consumers bear, regardless of where in the world the manufacture takes place.

setmefree2

Well I have to say, as a Remainer, if I felt sadness yesterday after Tusk's "we miss you already" (gifted) it soon disapated with all the threats coming from Merkel Hollande and Verhofstadt later on in the day.

Verhofstadt was on Bloomberg this morning saying that the EU doesn't want to enter into trade talks (until they've got big pay out ) and that we shouldn't be allowed to talk with anyone else - joke on Guy.

EU Parliament threatens to VETO Brexit deal if UK signs trade pacts with other countries
THE European Parliament could veto any future Brexit deal agreed with Brussels if the UK attempts to carry out trade negotiations with countries outside the bloc before Spring 2019, a bombshell document reveals.

In their draft resolution they call for the UK to sign up to being an “associate member” of the bloc, which includes paying a membership fee, instead of signing a free trade agreement after leaving.

And they warned both Mrs May and the leaders of other EU member states against trying to strike individual deals “behind our back”, saying such a move would be a deal breaker.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/785487/Brexit-news-EU-parliament-veto-Brexit-deal-UK-Britain-trade

StevieJ

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Are you suggesting that discrimination by allowing free movement of European citizens only is acceptable?
That applying the same rules regardless of origin are not?

Not sure what you mean? those are not my words.