If we vote for Brexit what happens

Sapphire

setmefree2 wrote: »

Let me recommend

Thank you kindly. I need to buy another bottle for the weekend, so will sample the one you suggest! :T

The other bottle I will be using is the Italian La Gioiosa 2015 (from Waitrose – my local one has a large 'department' stocking a decent selection of wines). It's a Prosecco I tried for the first time a few weeks ago, and it is most excellent.

Conrad

StevieJ wrote: »

Yes OK.
.https://uk.yahoo.com/finance/news/uk-based-airlines-told-move-093308600.html

Keep an eye on this Steve, you will see ways will be found to accommodate this.


As ever the Remainers only answer is to throw up hands and capitulate.

Conrad

Sapphire wrote: »

Thank you kindly. I need to buy another bottle for the weekend, so will sample the one you suggest! :T

The other bottle I will be using is the Italian La Gioiosa 2015 (from Waitrose – my local one has a large 'department' stocking a decent selection of wines). It's a Prosecco I tried for the first time a few weeks ago, and it is most excellent.

The best fizz of the lot in our opinion is (varies from about £17-21.00 depending where you get it, from memory);


http://www.waitrosecellar.com/all-countries/chapel-down-vintage-reserve-brut?gclid=CjwKEAjwwcjGBRDj-P7TwcinyBkSJADymblTUQOc3LF62DX_aYrqfPbKUWn-hNJUxxM38kOGt3D1UxoCv6Tw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds&dclid=CLqwn8uT6tICFe4T0wodea8JBQ

davomcdave

Another vote from me for Chapel Down. I've been to the vineyard a few times, it's in a lovely spot and most of their wines are very good, not just the fizz.

davomcdave

Some assorted bits of Brexit news for y'all to cogitate. I welcome you explaining to me what I've gotten wrong this time.

It looks like a chunk of the airlines are off:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/22/uk-based-airlines-told-to-move-to-europe-after-brexit-or-lose-major-routes

And a chunk of the banks:

http://www.afr.com/business/banking-and-finance/brexit-banks-set-to-avoid-lengthy-euro-zone-entry-test-20170321-gv3gar

And inflationary tensions increase:

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/tesco-scraps-beers-and-ciders-in-brexit-price-row-a3495826.html

Still, at least England's getting cheaper to live in:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/city-breaks/most-expensive-and-cheapest-cities-2017/

But only for foreigners.

Pretty much all change means that some gain and some lose out. The idea by some that Brexit will uniquely lead to a land of milk and honey for all or a land of misery and gloom for all is risible and I really hope those that profess to believe it actually don't.

kabayiri

davomcdave wrote: »

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Pretty much all change means that some gain and some lose out. The idea by some that Brexit will uniquely lead to a land of milk and honey for all or a land of misery and gloom for all is risible and I really hope those that profess to believe it actually don't.

It never did.

There were always going to be winners and losers, regardless of which way the EU referendum vote went.

It doesn't stop UK trying to get as much out of the deal as possible. That's just basic good negotiating sense.

davomcdave

kabayiri wrote: »

It never did.

There were always going to be winners and losers, regardless of which way the EU referendum vote went.

It doesn't stop UK trying to get as much out of the deal as possible. That's just basic good negotiating sense.

Yes of course that's the case although I do worry that both the EU and the UK will treat negotiations as a zero sum game, that is that every thing that the UK gains the EU loses and vice versa.

The EU gains from buying UK-produced pharma and cheap cars as much as the UK gains from buying EU-produced fancy cars and food.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

davomcdave wrote: »

Pretty much all change means that some gain and some lose out. The idea by some that Brexit will uniquely lead to a land of milk and honey for all or a land of misery and gloom for all is risible and I really hope those that profess to believe it actually don't.

"All change"?
Has it?
No, so come back when it HAS changed eh, not just when voices tell you it might.

Do you not consider this to be more of the "same old same old" in the final days before we present Article 50?
Most of us are getting used to it by now - and are also getting used to what a large percentage of it is absolute bull poop; lies in other words.

Once again I say that - like others here - I do not expect everything Brexit-related to be a bed of roses.
But this fearmongering is becoming tedious and often frankly downright silly.


Airlines ............ right, the possibility of reciprocal restrictions could prove interesting.
See how Spain would like to have it's tourism industry decimated because no flights are allowed from the UK, instead encouraging just for example Turkey or Egypt.
Reciprocal restrictions are just one example.
More are available.

As for banks, much has been written - and ignored by you, it seems.
The EU needs the UK - for clearing and for financial services.
Then the likes of this, from the Independent just two days ago:

Despite uncertainty around Brexit, UK finance bosses are upbeat about the UK’s economic prospects in 2017, a survey by Lloyds Bank showed on Monday.
More than half of those surveyed believe that the nation’s economy will remain resilient in 2017, and 22 per cent expect it to improve compared to 2016. Three quarters (76 per cent) predicted that UK economic growth will be in line with, or outpace, the average of the G7 group of advanced nations this year.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-latest-news-bank-cityuk-barclays-lower-taxes-light-regulation-eu-divorce-a7639361.html

Okay so far?

Tesco BTW have little to do with Brexit and much more to do with profitability.
But if you want talk of inflation, here is a post I made on another thread:

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

German inflation in February 2.2%.
https://www.ft.com/content/d916f05e-fe89-11e6-8d8e-a5e3738f9ae4

Well there you go; I didn't know Germany's Euro had lost value or that Germany was exiting the EU.
Excuses for the similarity and explanation for there being so little difference between German and UK inflation are invited now; I wait with interest.

Also here to avoid paywall:
http://www.euronews.com/2017/03/01/germany-inflation-rises-unemployment-falls

Now again I say that not all will be as smooth as silk.
There will undoubtedly be change and some of this change will not be for the better.
So for balance, it's not a matter of " what I've gotten wrong this time" as you phrase it.
It is about reality.
And the reality so far is that things are actually going rather well.
At the same time recognising that this might change in some areas.

cogito

StevieJ wrote: »

Yes OK.
.https://uk.yahoo.com/finance/news/uk-based-airlines-told-move-093308600.html

The EU will force Ryanair, a company based in Ireland, to move to Europe after Brexit. Really?

davomcdave

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

"All change"?
Has it?
No, so come back when it HAS changed eh, not just when voices tell you it might.

Do you not consider this to be more of the "same old same old" in the final days before we present Article 50?
Most of us are getting used to it by now - and are also getting used to what a large percentage of it is absolute bull poop; lies in other words.

Once again I say that - like others here - I do not expect everything Brexit-related to be a bed of roses.
But this fearmongering is becoming tedious and often frankly downright silly.


Airlines ............ right, the possibility of reciprocal restrictions could prove interesting.
See how Spain would like to have it's tourism industry decimated because no flights are allowed from the UK, instead encouraging just for example Turkey or Egypt.
Reciprocal restrictions are just one example.
More are available.

As for banks, much has been written - and ignored by you, it seems.
The EU needs the UK - for clearing and for financial services.
Then the likes of this, from the Independent just two days ago:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-latest-news-bank-cityuk-barclays-lower-taxes-light-regulation-eu-divorce-a7639361.html

Okay so far?

Tesco BTW have little to do with Brexit and much more to do with profitability.
But if you want talk of inflation, here is a post I made on another thread:



Now again I say that not all will be as smooth as silk.
There will undoubtedly be change and some of this change will not be for the better.
So for balance, it's not a matter of " what I've gotten wrong this time" as you phrase it.
It is about reality.
And the reality so far is that things are actually going rather well.
At the same time recognising that this might change in some areas.

Excellent. Good to know that I'm still wrong.

You should understand that the airlines story is about UK-based airlines that operate intra-EU flights that will need to have a substantial presence in the EU including somehow rearranging their share register so that the majority of owners are EU based.

I understand how it's easy to miss the details when hit by a tsunami of wrong.

We'll see how it pans out. I see little to convince me that Brexit is going to lead to better outcomes than Remain. Time will tell of course.