If we vote for Brexit what happens

Conrad

Herzlos wrote: »

So you're saying that there will be some economic decline, at least in the short term until these enormous opportunity benefits start to appear?

But I presume you're not counting that when you said:


So how long does the short term pain have to last before you admit you were wrong

To be clear, some minor losses through the next few years will be much outweighed by new enterprise creation during the same period.


If you like, sore hands building a much better garden

CLAPTON

Herzlos wrote: »

Exactly, the trend in credit has nothing to do with Brexit, but may be sufficient to mask any downturn that may have been caused by Brexit. So it's likely not correct to say that there was has been no economic impact of Brexit so far (when we know there have been - there's been reports of job losses and price hikes blamed directly on Brexit or the GBP, which clearly changed because of Brexit).

Of course you have ruled out that fact that the pre brexit economy was 'masked' by the trend in credit:

job losses occur all the time as does the creation of new jobs : during the period we have been in the EU we have lost over 40 million jobs: I of course being a rational, decent, non biased person, do not blame the EU for all those job losses.

there are no significant proven job losses due to brexit nor are there any proven jobs been created due to brexit; however jobs are destroyed and created all the time (thank goodness too); however brexit will indeed lead to different distribution of jobs.

Truely, brexit did lead to the reduction in the value of the pound which will lead to price increases for imported goods and services.
If the value of the pound stays low we will probably share the fate of Germany that suffers/benefits from a large undervalued currency.

And for ther record I have NEVER said that there is/will be NO economic impact of brexit but I don't expect either massive improvements or changes.

setmefree2

Corbyn and Labour plummet to new lows.

Corbyn announces 3 line whip on Article 50 vote then

Two Labour whips defy Jeremy Corbyn on article 50 vote

Jeff Smith and Thangam Debbonaire, plus shadow minister Daniel Zeichner, say they will not back bill to start Brexit process

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

You couldn't make this !!!! up

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/27/jeremy-corbyn-article-50-vote-two-labour-whips-refuse

setmefree2

BBC reporting that Jo Stevens (who?) has quit the shadow cabinet too.....

setmefree2

Spain wants to start post-Brexit trade talks with Britain as soon as possible – defying the EU

Spanish government officials want to start negotiating a trade deal with the UK to take effect after Brexit, going against the official position of key negotiators in Brussels.
In an interview with the Financial Times, Spain's foreign minister Alfonso Dastis said that he believes starting trade talks before the full terms of Brexit are agreed would be beneficial to all involved in Britain's divorce from the EU.
"It would actually be good, while we speak about the separation, to also define where we want to be in terms of a new framework [for EU-UK relations]," Dastis told the FT.
"We are interested in getting a result that is good for both sides. We won’t give up that interest for the sake of strict procedural requirements."
Dastis position goes against the beliefs of many of Brussels' key officials tasked with negotiating Brexit. Michel Barnier, the EU's chief negotiator, has consistently maintained that both sides must agree the full terms of the UK's separation before they can start discussing a future trade deal.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/spain-wants-to-start-brexit-trade-talks-2017-1

setmefree2

EU looks on bewildered as South Africa vows to agree trade deal with Britain BEFORE Brexit

BRUSSELS looked on bewildered and seemingly powerless today as South Africa vowed to begin negotiating a trade deal with Britain immediately so that it will be ready to go the day after the country officially leaves the bloc.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/759273/Brexit-news-EU-response-South-Africa-trade-deal-Britain-UK

setmefree2

After Brexit, U.K.-Nafta Partnership Looks Kind of Sensible

http://www.bloombergquint.com/opinion/2017/01/27/after-brexit-u-k-nafta-partnership-looks-kind-of-sensible

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

To be clear, some minor losses through the next few years will be much outweighed by new enterprise creation during the same period.


If you like, sore hands building a much better garden

Ok, so no downward movement in the economy at all, and any losses with be entirely offset by gains?

setmefree2

‘Scottish farmers overly reliant on subsidies and ill-prepared for Brexit’

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/business/farming/1152850/undefined-headline-2408/

kabayiri

Regardless of which side of the Remain/Leave divide you lean towards, nobody can argue this is one of the more interesting times in recent history.

The Brexit vote followed by the election of Trump has challenged many of the accepted norms.