If we vote for Brexit what happens

Herzlos

CLAPTON wrote: »

Do you not approve of the boundary changes that will mean that the electorate in each constituency will be approx equal?

I'm all for systems that are fairer, but lets be honest here; these changes are only being implemented because it favours the Tories.

But then I'd be all for a better system than our constituency first past the post system.

wotsthat

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

An no solace in the knowledge that the executive in our land is electable and totally capable of removing either of those institutions should they/the electorate wish it?

We have a form of democracy and it doesn't offend me that other forms exist. Plenty of unelected people are making decisions on your behalf every day.

The issue I have is not that the equivalent head of the EU civil service is appointed rather than elected but, IMO, spends too much time overtly politicking. He should do his politicking on the quiet like the head of the British civil service has the good grace to do.

I'll look out for the party manifestos in 2020 to see who is campaigning for an elected second chamber and head of state. Of course it's no surprise to me that all those Brexit voting democracy lovers don't see the irony of an unelected second chamber and buy biscuit tins celebrating an unelected head of state.

ruggedtoast

mayonnaise wrote: »

Our beloved foreign secretary making a contribution to get negotiations with our European partners off to a good start.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-french-president-francois-hollande-nazi-brexit-eu-a7532981.html

I still read about the imbeciles in charge of this farrago and can't believe this is real.

Rinoa

mayonnaise wrote: »

Our beloved foreign secretary making a contribution to get negotiations with our European partners off to a good start.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-french-president-francois-hollande-nazi-brexit-eu-a7532981.html

That'll be the same Francois Hollande who, shortly after we gave French owned EDF the £17Bn contract to build nuclear power stations said "The UK will have to be punished"

Either way, he'll be long gone before we start negotiations.

wotsthat

Theresa May gives a decent straightforward speech and I start to think maybe she knows what she's doing.

Then I have to remind myself she appointed Boris Johnson as Foreign Secretary.

CLAPTON

Herzlos wrote: »

I'm all for systems that are fairer, but lets be honest here; these changes are only being implemented because it favours the Tories.

But then I'd be all for a better system than our constituency first past the post system.

so you fully approve of the electoral boundary changes, but as usual, you hate anything the tories do, even when you agree with them.

perfectly happy to discuss althernatives to first past the post system ; perhaps we should have a referendum on the matter

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

what would constitute a 'cheap trade deal'? or a 'bargain basement Britain?'

I think it can be assumed we wont be trading with the single market on the same terms as now and on top of that we'll be competing with the same said market for new trade.....so I'm saying what can we offer that's different or what undercuts the single market.....a reduction in red tape....bureaucracy etc....that means employee terms, conditions of service, employment rights will be in the mix to be reduced. The EU offered us some insulation from this through the working time directive. I take your point that reduced immigration may offset this but I have no trust in a British Govmt to do this. We will generally make our labour market cheaper imo.

setmefree2

CLAPTON wrote: »

well, for a change, toxic tostie we can agree,
the voting over the last few years, has clearly shown that the vast majority of the UK voters aren't racist or aren't in favour of division or alienation and have respect for different views and don't show hatred, malice or intolerance towards their fellow citizens.

Unlike Toastie and Moby.....

Moby

Conrad wrote: »

Trust the wets to think we cant go in strong and tell it how it is.


If only drippy Corbyn and Farron were at the deal making table making all sorts of wet n weak concessions and obsequious mutterings into the ears at Brussels, we'd get a far better deal, lol

OK Conrad how exactly are we going to keep our free access to the single market? What does desk jockey central say about our future utopia today:rotfl:

Moby

setmefree2 wrote: »

Unlike Toastie and Moby.....

Right mate....I find it hard to tolerate self harm;)